My husband is an immigrant. If we go to Arizona and he isn't carrying his green card, can he be arrested? Or does him being white and English-speaking make it OK?
My husband is an immigrant. If we go to Arizona and he isn't carrying his green card, can he be arrested? Or does him being white and English-speaking make it OK?
Another question. I have a neighbor who is an immigrant from Mexico. He's a cardiologist and is pretty wealthy. Would they likely get arrested if they weren't carrying documentation in Arizona? I'm thinking yes for them, but no for my husband for some reason. It's pretty scary, kind of Nazi-ish. (And I completely disagree with "Godwin's Law", I think people use that to try to excuse them when they know they're stepping into that kind of fascist territory.)
According to the bill, yes. The officer can actually arrest anyone they suspect, by any criterion they conceive of, of being in the country illegally. That means they can use racial profiling or whatever. All the bill says is "if there is reason to suspect, then an arrest may be made".Originally Posted by Mariella
Technically they could, but it sounds like that law was made to target people of a specific ethic group that he isn't a part of. I doubt it would ever be used against him.
Probably not. But if you're a Hispanic, this law basically says you are a second-class citizen.
I think some of these recent foolish acts have been committed because people are generally getting rather upset with the federal government and its recent policies, and are overcompensating thoughtlessly.
I'm at a friend's house on her computer so I can't respond fully at the moment, but quickly...
Please keep in mind the current state of politics in the US and the impossibility of getting a non skewed interpretation from either side of any action that is taken. I'm fairly certain that Tcaud reads, trusts, and bases his views on information from the Left which is no more trustable in this climate as a 100% reliable source as is information coming from the Right.
The citizens of Arizona are not nazis. We are aware of the problems and issues that come out of this law, and ARE working through addressing them as things progress. Arizona has a massive Hispanic population (legal citizens) and there is absolutely no way that every Hispanic seen on the street will be (or even can be) stopped and harrased for their "papers". It's just not going to happen, and it IS NOT in the slightest the intent of this law or how it will be practiced on the streets.
@SlackerMom... in both cases, if not US citizens and not in possesion of proof of legal immigrant status both COULD be at least detained I think, but would be able to very easily fix the situation without penalties by providing that documentation to the courts at a later date (much like getting pulled over with proof of drivers insurance and getting the charge dropped by providing that proof later (which is standard procedure in Arizona courts)
The reality of this situation is that the police and citizens are well aware of the slippery slope, the national media focus, and the concerns over this law. People are not going to be harrased for their documentation unless there is OBVIOUS reason to suspect them. If you are wearing grimy just walked 100 miles through the desert clothing and do not speak a word of English, you fall into that category. If not, there is a 99% chance that you are not even going to be looked at with a second glance.
Yes, this sort of this is not pretty and there are dangers that need to be kept in mind and worked out as it is implimented in the real world. But action needs to be taken, the feds are not taking those actions in any way that is resolving this problem, so we as a state are being left with the ugly (but nessesary) task of doing it for ourselves or at least creating enough of a ruccus that the feds do their job and deal with it for us.
According to reports, traffic across the border of every kind is at a standstill. Business between Arizona and Mexico has stopped. It's like Arizona become a different country all of a sudden.
"We as a state, we as a state"... there is no state, only the country. There is no state identity. That's a legacy that needs to be abolished. Creating such nationalist furor where there normally isn't any... that's what right wing extremists like Brewer do. Brewer is creating situations that are forbidden by the constitution. The judges need to step up and do something. It just takes one judge to strike down this law so... where is it?
I actually read the law. I've read the entire text of the law. It says only that the cop needs to have "reasonable suspicion" a person is in the country illegally before stopping them, without outlining the definition of reasonable. It's not the good guys, but the bad guys that matter: good cops will not use this power, bad cops now can. That was Brewer's entire intent: to empower sociopaths to act on their urges and rationalize their integration into society without appropriate checks and balances. Because as a sociopath, that's what Brewer does.
It's a matter of probably a couple months before we hear of a Rodney King-style report of how the police are abusing this new-found power. And it's not just in Arizona -- 12 other states are considering similar legislation.
BG, I'm going to be tough on you.
Why not ship of all the drug users and dealers to Mexico and give a every illegal or immigrant worker a citizenship paper. Well, Mexico wouldn't like that and neither would other people in the US.
All the small government people talk about how government infringes on our way of life, and well here they are, infringing on people's lives, except with swat teams and handcuffs, not tax forms and paperwork.
I much prefer tax forms and paper work to swat teams ad handcuffs.
These laws were made so hateful people like that sheriff in Arizona can have the power to commit brutality on others in a legal and justified manner, while it's often hard to stop assholes like this from figuring out a way to be totally irresponsible, there is no need to pretty this sort of bullshit up. The petty inconveniences of people who probably aren't even that inconvenienced, but rather just hateful and fearful isn't enough reason for this form of law to be enacted. History is full of these sort of rationalizations, usually ending with terror and oppression, don't be just another apologist.
Anyways, take it from a pretty productive American Citizen who is working a good job and does cool stuff, the representatives of Arizona and their backers sucks. Also the letters in Arizona can spell OrANazi , or some other variation.
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