What gives ESTps confidence?

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[Joy]

Because there's no reason not to be. That's how you get shit done. Fortune favors the bold. Decide what you want and then get it. Straight up tell people when there's a problem. Sitting around wondering about whether you can or can't do something is useless. Just go for it and see what happens. If you fail, so be it. Learn from it and move on. Have fun. Enjoy the ride. When there's a problem, address it. Force of will won't answer everything, but it'll get you somewhere one way or another. It's a matter of volitional force, I suppose. This doesn't sit well with everyone, but that's fine. Their minds and lives are their responsibility, not mine. And you can't please everyone.

[Blaze]

they're not very confident about feelings, relationships, new and novel ideas, or long term strategic planning. they are confident in the here and now and about getting stuff done in the near future. about people's capabilities and motivations. it's a mistake to say that SLE is a superman. it obscures their humanity quite a bit.

[Ezra]

they're not very confident about feelings, relationships, new and novel ideas, or long term strategic planning. they are confident in the here and now and about getting stuff done in the near future. about people's capabilities and motivations. it's a mistake to say that SLE is a superman. it obscures their humanity quite a bit.

Spot on. Except the strategic planning bit; I'm good at that.

But relationships... oh my god. I am hideously pathetic at them and feelings.

[redbaron]

But relationships... oh my god. I am hideously pathetic at them and feelings.

awwww! cute!

[Graham]

awwww! cute!

Agree.. That's 'frickin adorable, lol.

[Blaze]

Spot on. Except the strategic planning bit; I'm good at that.

But relationships... oh my god. I am hideously pathetic at them and feelings.

i feel ya brother. but hey, somebody's got to be logical or nothing would ever get done.

[redbaron]

i feel ya brother. but hey, somebody's got to be logical or nothing would ever get done.

Ain't that the truth!

[Linas]

'cause they are mean, they are assholes, and they have no heart

[strrrng]

they're confident in matters to the degree that they're separated from subjective impressions. yeah, they can position themselves well in tactical settings, find ways to get people to work towards their ends, etc.; but they actually seem to lack a lot of confidence in the significance of their actions, and whether they even make sense to them internally. this was confirmed yet again last week. I ended up giving a large amount of interpersonal advice to an SLE female who was having issues with a sappy, manipulative IEI boyfriend. ('advice' being, essentially: "act this way, to achieve this result"). the contrast between her certainty of control over him and the anxiety that manifested in something as trivial as the wording of a text message, was comical, to say the least. but it made sense, and in a way the 'dog on a leash' stereotype generally holds true, with all IxFp-ExTp pairings.

SLEs don't need a bolstering of confidence; more of an undercurrent to stabilize and guide their forays, which, despite being carried out with a tactical precision, don't naturally stem from any broader strategical mindset.

[redbaron]

well-said.

[silverchris9]

they're confident in matters to the degree that they're separated from subjective impressions. yeah, they can position themselves well in tactical settings, find ways to get people to work towards their ends, etc.; but they actually seem to lack a lot of confidence in the significance of their actions, and whether they even make sense to them internally. this was confirmed yet again last week. I ended up giving a large amount of interpersonal advice to an SLE female who was having issues with a sappy, manipulative IEI boyfriend. ('advice' being, essentially: "act this way, to achieve this result"). the contrast between her certainty of control over him and the anxiety that manifested in something as trivial as the wording of a text message, was comical, to say the least. but it made sense, and in a way the 'dog on a leash' stereotype generally holds true, with all IxFp-ExTp pairings.

Who is the dog and who is the owner w/leash? I think both? Also, it's sort of funny how instinctive SLEs/Beta STs who know nothing about socionics turn to me/IEIs for advice (and I them for... um... everything else?).

SLEs don't need a bolstering of confidence; more of an undercurrent to stabilize and guide their forays, which, despite being carried out with a tactical precision, don't naturally stem from any broader strategical mindset.

Ditto w/Redbaron (we do agree on everything), well-said. Especially in the tactical/strategic distinction, with strategy being the more long-term thing, even if SLEs are the absolute best in the moment achieving the proximate goal.

[strrrng]

Who is the dog and who is the owner w/leash? I think both? Also, it's sort of funny how instinctive SLEs/Beta STs who know nothing about socionics turn to me/IEIs for advice (and I them for... um... everything else?).

I was suggesting the IxFp as the walker and the ExTp as the dog.

IEI-SLE doesn't feel directly possessive, regarding the walker. I would even say that my "control" of Ms. SLE from the other week was remote in form, and basically entailed me lining up events and actions in her head so that she could act more effectively.

and yeah, it seems that a tenor of IEI-SLE relations consists of the IEI aiding the SLE in looking inward to assimilate and better organize happenings, and the SLE giving specific input or the necessary push for the IEI to move forward in a given circumstance.

[Gilly]

I don't know why people think SLEs are assholes. Really, I don't; I think this is probably one of the most blatantly misguided stereotypes in the entire socion. IME LSEs are more likely to embody this image of typical male jockery and chest banging and whatnot.

[Gilly]

Let's just say they both like chains.