Hey i have a question, or two

[Pookie]

Ok, so this is going to be long, and rather uncensored in some portions. But i feel thats for the better if im to learn anything here. Forgive me if i might offend you at certain spots.

what pisses you off in others? Someone who puts themselves as the top priority over those they are closest to. Hypocritical behavior. People who are driven to impress others, rather than improve themselves. Pleasure driven behavior. The concept of status or Image.

In yourself? My lethargicness. My inability to accomplish tasks i dont find stimulating.

What do you wish you did differently? Acted on Impulse more often, i couldnt tell you the amount of positive things ive passed up by simply thinking too much about it and psyching myself out, or passing up things that are offered because i dont want to feel like an added weight.

What do you admire in other people? To me, admiration is one of the emotions farthest removed from understanding. If i understand someone, they aren't viewed on a pedastool. I know there good qualities and i know their bad qualities. It all comes together as one cohesive ying yang balancing act and i try to appease the whims of their personality. Admiration on the other hand, is given to those we dont know fully, for traits we dont identify in ourselves. But traits that would be benificial to ourselves if we had them. With that said: I admire those who constantly start projects, and finish them. People who arent afraid to take charge of a situation, to lead. People who have the practicality to synthesize with their rational side and handle the mundane tasks that i ignore. And probably more so.

What do you like best about yourself? I am Kind. I feel good when i make others feel good. I can learn in my head, understand the variables of this and that and act appropriately. I bust peoples balls, all the time. Most people think im kidding, but normally im telling my truthful opinion - those who know me see i do so with good intentions. Its not until something is addressed can we act to change it, and shit, if they dont see it, Not telling them is only hindering them. And that inaction would make me a terrible friend.

What sorts of things are you best at/enjoy most? Once someone points out an insightful point or observation, i can absorb it and expand, Filling in the blanks and understanding the variables that can make the insight wrong or even more true than originally expected. Breaking down fighters in combat sports, understanding through watching and theorizing. Finding what it will take to beat them, and at the same time, what will never work. I think in motion. Im good with juggling and weighing concepts. Dealing with the subjective, while holding firm the humbling belief that nothing is objective. Im absurdly optimistic, with the occasional feeling of foreboding danger to keep me in check. Im good with kids, and im good with finding the words to describe how i feel about an issue.

What sorts of things are your worst at/enjoy least? Organization, Using the facts. Being a Host. Keeping my sense logic when im emotionally perturbed. Coming up with things to do. Being sensitive and tactful to things im not aware of. For instance: the occasional spousal abuse joke has backfired, as have the occasional rape joke. But, shiiit. Maybe that girl shouldnt have been drinking so much. How do you even know you were raped, when you cant even remember the night? Sounds like a not so well thought out excuse to garner pity from others, but i digress. And possibly apologize.

Is there a quadra you identify with (alpha, beta, gamma, delta)? I appreciate Random nonsensical nonsense. Like furry bunny barbarians fighting dragons on horseback for the throne of guatamala. Also, cartoon metaphors. I do that alot. But, mainly Beta now that ive found a way to look it up. Heated theoretical discussion, bouncing ideas back and forth with banter. The heated aspect comes from getting caught in the moment and the innate need to be understood. Not so much from anger or feeling that im right. I feel honest expression is key to understanding yourself, and therefore understanding others eventually. However, I dont deal well with serious confrontation. But rather i shy away from it until i tantrum.

Who do you think is a failure of a person and why? The Self-centered, uncompassionate. But other than those who live purely for themselves, i feel practically everyone is a balancing act of the good and bad that comes with different cognitive skills. Ti and Fe for instance both do certain things well and certain things bad. Ying Yang magic.

What qualities attract you? Hmm... theres so many qualities out there. If i was to break down the spectrum of personality into 4 aspects - the Abstract, the Down to Earth, the Deep, and the Edgy - I would choose the Deep and the Abstract. The down to earth i dont relate to, as im not here on earth. Im in the sky whisping around, and honestly i don't give a damn about your car or your shoes. And the deep is for emotional comfort. Someone who looks within themselves enough to be molded by the metaphorical water pressure that comes from being at the bottom of the ocean. Aka the morals and values deepest at their core.

What qualities repulse you? The Materialistic & the self-centered. These i am instinctually predjudice against. Also, the type of cowardice that comes from running away from the issues every individual knows they need to put in check the most. Since relationships are symbiotic exchanges with the people we love most, we effect the people we care for the most with our actions and thoughts. We exchange with those people more than anyone else(optimally). If someone doesnt have the resolve to handle his or her own worst qualities, i feel that person is selfish to the point where he or she is putting themselves ahead of who they are supposed to love the most.

[Beautiful sky]

I get the sense that you are ISTj

[crazedrat]

I think you're INFj. You seem very passive...
Don't listen to Maritsa - she is not qualified. You are not ISTj.
Best to go read the sites polikjum showed you and decide for yourself.

[Beautiful sky]

Pookie, would you ever give us a VI photo?

@crazedrat

I like pleasure.

[crazedrat]

@crazedrat

I like pleasure.

....what?

[Pookie]

Pookie, would you ever give us a VI photo?

@crazedrat

I like pleasure.

What is a VI Photo, and maybe. Depends, what is this pleasure you speak of?

[The Exception]

I agree with Aixelsyd and Silverchris that Pookie is an IEI. I was going to do a statment by statement analysis as to why but it looks like Silverchris beat me to it.

[Creepy-Pied Piper]

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[Creepy-Pied Piper]

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[Creepy-Pied Piper]

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[Beautiful sky]

Maritsa, you not even a tangential connection with the reality of types and functions, apart for the observation that I ignored her "preference for Beta". It is true, I ignored it because people have idealized ways in seeing the quadras. Most likely she overlooked Delta for the reason that it was described with down-to-earth people, which is not true for Delta NFs, not true at all.
It is true overall, for the whole quadra, eg they're not people who try to improve things like Alphas, neither discontent and selective like Betas, nor want to necessarily bring progress and development like Gammas, so this can be named down-to-earth, but that's all.

Edit: PS - Maritsa, you're not what you say anyway, neither EII nor practical, you're just an i-dont-know-wtf-is-with-me.

Knowing someones good/bad qualities is not Fi

ISTj...and Ti...with Se....

"If i was to break down the spectrum of personality into 4 aspects - the Abstract, the Down to Earth, the Deep, and the Edgy - I would choose the Deep and the Abstract. "

[Pookie]

I apologize, i forgot the golden rule for posting on forums. I am a Male. Pookie always confuses people, and i nearly always forget.

I passed up Delta, because of 2 things. The practical-Down to earth statement, and the motivation to act for "Big" causes. I dont really feel like helping the big causes ever really helps anything out. I feel like Protestors miss the point, anybody can complain, but rarely do people actually suggest solutions. For all my talk of compassion and whatnot, i really do only reserve that mindset for the people i know. My family or the closest ring of friends, people that i can see the benefit happening with. For instance, i can treat my little sisters as my world, because i can see how that makes them feel. But if i gave to Aids research or some other big cause, i would get disenchanted with it. How do i really know im benefiting someone with that money? They could be disheartened with the system, or the money might even get squandered away foolishly, and my money wont mean a damn in comparison to the effect i could have had around me.

But, maybe its just the wording of the paragraph that leaves me that impression.

[Minde]

I apologize, i forgot the golden rule for posting on forums. I am a Male. Pookie always confuses people, and i nearly always forget.

I passed up Delta, because of 2 things. The practical-Down to earth statement, and the motivation to act for "Big" causes. I dont really feel like helping the big causes ever really helps anything out. I feel like Protestors miss the point, anybody can complain, but rarely do people actually suggest solutions. For all my talk of compassion and whatnot, i really do only reserve that mindset for the people i know. My family or the closest ring of friends, people that i can see the benefit happening with. For instance, i can treat my little sisters as my world, because i can see how that makes them feel. But if i gave to Aids research or some other big cause, i would get disenchanted with it. How do i really know im benefiting someone with that money? They could be disheartened with the system, or the money might even get squandered away foolishly, and my money wont mean a damn in comparison to the effect i could have had around me.

But, maybe its just the wording of the paragraph that leaves me that impression.

Actually, somewhat stereotypically, "Big", grand, large-scale and passionate causes are rather Beta. Delta causes tend to be more personal and localized, ime. What you said about being motivated by love for those close to you smacks of Fi. Nothing that you said right there necessarily puts you in any quadra, though.


And it's nice to meet you

[Creepy-Pied Piper]

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[Beautiful sky]

I apologize, i forgot the golden rule for posting on forums. I am a Male. Pookie always confuses people, and i nearly always forget.

I passed up Delta, because of 2 things. The practical-Down to earth statement, and the motivation to act for "Big" causes. I dont really feel like helping the big causes ever really helps anything out. I feel like Protestors miss the point, anybody can complain, but rarely do people actually suggest solutions. For all my talk of compassion and whatnot, i really do only reserve that mindset for the people i know. My family or the closest ring of friends, people that i can see the benefit happening with. For instance, i can treat my little sisters as my world, because i can see how that makes them feel. But if i gave to Aids research or some other big cause, i would get disenchanted with it. How do i really know im benefiting someone with that money? They could be disheartened with the system, or the money might even get squandered away foolishly, and my money wont mean a damn in comparison to the effect i could have had around me.

But, maybe its just the wording of the paragraph that leaves me that impression.

Yeah thanks for confirming your type.
You are ISTj type.

@Pinocchio
Next time read please.

[Beautiful sky]

I apologize, i forgot the golden rule for posting on forums. I am a Male. Pookie always confuses people, and i nearly always forget.

I passed up Delta, because of 2 things. The practical-Down to earth statement, and the motivation to act for "Big" causes. I dont really feel like helping the big causes ever really helps anything out. I feel like Protestors miss the point, anybody can complain, but rarely do people actually suggest solutions. For all my talk of compassion and whatnot, i really do only reserve that mindset for the people i know. My family or the closest ring of friends, people that i can see the benefit happening with. For instance, i can treat my little sisters as my world, because i can see how that makes them feel. But if i gave to Aids research or some other big cause, i would get disenchanted with it. How do i really know im benefiting someone with that money? They could be disheartened with the system, or the money might even get squandered away foolishly, and my money wont mean a damn in comparison to the effect i could have had around me.
But, maybe its just the wording of the paragraph that leaves me that impression.

LSI, read the description and tell me what you think.

Read Diana's posts on compassion, you will relate because you two have the same values on this matter...I will attach a thread link, she is also ISTj.

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...ompassion.html

[Slacker]

Actually, my SLI husband has said basically that same exact thing. I think charities closer to home with people you know is an Fi value, and giving to big charities is more Fe.

Hopefully by now you've learned not to listen to Maritsa.

[silverchris9]

@crazedrat

I like pleasure.

Maritsa, some of your posts lately have made my soul swell with joy. This was one of them.

Okay, on the serious tip, I'm going to just go question by question and give my thought process on what points to what.

Ok, so this is going to be long, and rather uncensored in some portions. But i feel thats for the better if im to learn anything here. Forgive me if i might offend you at certain spots.

what pisses you off in others? Someone who puts themselves as the top priority over those they are closest to. Hypocritical behavior. People who are driven to impress others, rather than improve themselves. Pleasure driven behavior. The concept of status or Image.

Hmmm... This also made me want to think Alpha or Delta, as people often associate status/image with Se valuing types... hypocritical isn't really type related, more like what you find hypocritical. Maybe you could give an example of hypocritical behavior that bothers you? "Puts themselves as top" is a complaint Deltas (esp. NFs) often give about Betas (esp. NFs).

In yourself? My lethargicness. My inability to accomplish tasks i dont find stimulating.

Hmmm... but this here sounds like Te-polr... (said in a cowboy accent). Do Delta NFs relate to this feeling of inability to accomplish tasks they're not interested in? I find that Delta NFs complain more often of starting tasks and not completing them. Does it help you more when others provide practical advice on how to accomplish those tasks in the quickest/most efficient way, or does it help you more when someone you like tells you to do it, and does it with you? Or even if they just work on something else while you work on that? And I don't mean tells you to do it in a "HEY YOU BETTER DO THAT OR ELSE" way, more of a, "Come on, let's sit down and get this done together," kind of way.

What do you wish you did differently? Acted on Impulse more often, i couldnt tell you the amount of positive things ive passed up by simply thinking too much about it and psyching myself out, or passing up things that are offered because i dont want to feel like an added weight.

This definitely sounds like Se-seeking. I feel that way all the time. Ni-egos often feel as though we spend too much time in our heads and not enough in the real world. We wish that we could spend more of our time just purely acting and moving and just doing things, as you said, on impulse, rather than rationalizing and overthinking and everything. Interesting what you said about feeling "like an added weight". Do you think those feelings would be eased if someone was very clear about wanting you to join in? I know I tend to be uncomfortable joining a group until someone makes it very clear not only that I am generally welcome in the group, but that they in particular want me to be in the group. Then I don't feel like an extra weight. On the other hand, that "added weight" thing could come less out of a Beta NF anxiety about being wanted/Se-seeking, and more of a Delta NF desire to be considerate of others, observe social boundaries, not intrude on other people, etc.

What do you admire in other people? To me, admiration is one of the emotions farthest removed from understanding. If i understand someone, they aren't viewed on a pedastool. I know there good qualities and i know their bad qualities. It all comes together as one cohesive ying yang balancing act and i try to appease the whims of their personality. Admiration on the other hand, is given to those we dont know fully, for traits we dont identify in ourselves. But traits that would be benificial to ourselves if we had them. With that said: I admire those who constantly start projects, and finish them. People who arent afraid to take charge of a situation, to lead. People who have the practicality to synthesize with their rational side and handle the mundane tasks that i ignore. And probably more so.

Hmm... This actually sounds Beta NF to me as well. Granted, betas are inclined to put people on pedestals. We want to make things as epic and grand as possible, so we like to have heroes who are great and ideal. But if there's any type in beta that sort of wants to realize every side of a hero, it's an IEI. And the way you said it... eh, smacks of Ni to me. But again, there's an argument for this to be a more Delta NF thing. But what you said about not being afraid to take charge of a situation is a clear indication of Se-seeking. Handle the mundane tasks actually sounds like the way I'd say it, which is that they handle the tasks and get them done quickly (which is associated with Se, and in particular with SLEs and Te-demonstrative), but not that they focus on those details and trying to fine-tune them, which is more associated with Delta STs (i.e., Te and Si). A way this difference is often explained is to say that beta STs (Se and Ti in their ego) focus on effectiveness, while delta STs (Te and Si in their ego) focus on efficiency or optimization. Effectiveness deals with mundane tasks, but only insofar as they are necessary for a non-mundane goal. The mundane tasks aren't important unless they are given importance as a part of achieving something larger. Efficiency or optimization, on the other hand, recognizes that the overall goal is always better served and can run more smoothly if the details are in the optimum condition. You never know when something will come up, so if you get the boring stuff out of the way, you won't have to deal with it if something horrible happens. This leads to a concern with details almost for their own sake, because focusing on the details makes everything run smoothly and uses resources in the most intelligent and responsible way.

What do you like best about yourself? I am Kind. I feel good when i make others feel good. I can learn in my head, understand the variables of this and that and act appropriately. I bust peoples balls, all the time. Most people think im kidding, but normally im telling my truthful opinion - those who know me see i do so with good intentions. Its not until something is addressed can we act to change it, and shit, if they dont see it, Not telling them is only hindering them. And that inaction would make me a terrible friend.

Hmmm... sounds NF. Telling the truth but making it seem like you're kidding is a classic beta NF "clown" move. Do any Delta NFs relate to this? Also, as a beta, I just kind of have to say AMEN to this.

What sorts of things are you best at/enjoy most? Once someone points out an insightful point or observation, i can absorb it and expand, Filling in the blanks and understanding the variables that can make the insight wrong or even more true than originally expected. Breaking down fighters in combat sports, understanding through watching and theorizing. Finding what it will take to beat them, and at the same time, what will never work. I think in motion. Im good with juggling and weighing concepts. Dealing with the subjective, while holding firm the humbling belief that nothing is objective. Im absurdly optimistic, with the occasional feeling of foreboding danger to keep me in check. Im good with kids, and im good with finding the words to describe how i feel about an issue.

Okay, this settles it for me. You're Beta NF, in my opinion. Especially "what will never work". That's the core of Ni vs. Ne to me. An Ne dominant would almost never say "that will never work," rather, they would look at the ways that it could work, but also show that another strategy could probably work in more ways or is more likely to work. Whereas me, on the other hand, I will just say, "no, that plan won't work, find another one." That's Ni insight. Also the idea that nothing is ever fully objective is a frequent Beta NF mantra. Good with words (especially to express feelings) is yet another common Beta NF feature.

What sorts of things are your worst at/enjoy least? Organization, Using the facts. Being a Host. Keeping my sense logic when im emotionally perturbed. Coming up with things to do. Being sensitive and tactful to things im not aware of. For instance: the occasional spousal abuse joke has backfired, as have the occasional rape joke. But, shiiit. Maybe that girl shouldnt have been drinking so much. How do you even know you were raped, when you cant even remember the night? Sounds like a not so well thought out excuse to garner pity from others, but i digress. And possibly apologize.

lol. More beta-ness.

Is there a quadra you identify with (alpha, beta, gamma, delta)? I appreciate Random nonsensical nonsense. Like furry bunny barbarians fighting dragons on horseback for the throne of guatamala. Also, cartoon metaphors. I do that alot. But, mainly Beta now that ive found a way to look it up. Heated theoretical discussion, bouncing ideas back and forth with banter. The heated aspect comes from getting caught in the moment and the innate need to be understood. Not so much from anger or feeling that im right. I feel honest expression is key to understanding yourself, and therefore understanding others eventually. However, I dont deal well with serious confrontation. But rather i shy away from it until i tantrum.

lol. The random nonsense bit sounds Ne, but I dunno, I can appreciate the good random joke now and then too (and I'm working on a theory wherein Ni likes randomness too, just that it focuses on the suprising juxtaposition, the incongruity or the similarity pulled out of the difference, if that makes sense. The category error). I totally relate to the bit about heated discussion. Tantruming is also (sadly) a Beta NF characteristic, especially IEIs, who are nice and nice and nice and nice and then BOOOM! and then we feel better.

Who do you think is a failure of a person and why? The Self-centered, uncompassionate. But other than those who live purely for themselves, i feel practically everyone is a balancing act of the good and bad that comes with different cognitive skills. Ti and Fe for instance both do certain things well and certain things bad. Ying Yang magic.

Hm. I think that your stance on self-centeredness is another example (I was talking about this on another thread) of a philosophy that seems very Fi (I mean, it's explicitly focus on obligations to other people, which is close to the heart of Fi), but is expressed and considered in a very Ni way, very philosophical and theoretical. I mean, even look at the language: "The Self-centered". It's a typical Beta NF sort of "force" or "concept" that sort of whirls around in your brain with the other concepts (internal dynamics of fields).

What qualities attract you? Hmm... theres so many qualities out there. If i was to break down the spectrum of personality into 4 aspects - the Abstract, the Down to Earth, the Deep, and the Edgy - I would choose the Deep and the Abstract. The down to earth i dont relate to, as im not here on earth. Im in the sky whisping around, and honestly i don't give a damn about your car or your shoes. And the deep is for emotional comfort. Someone who looks within themselves enough to be molded by the metaphorical water pressure that comes from being at the bottom of the ocean. Aka the morals and values deepest at their core.

lol. More Beta NFs ness. Especially the not down to earth stuff.

What qualities repulse you? The Materialistic & the self-centered. These i am instinctually predjudice against. Also, the type of cowardice that comes from running away from the issues every individual knows they need to put in check the most. Since relationships are symbiotic exchanges with the people we love most, we effect the people we care for the most with our actions and thoughts. We exchange with those people more than anyone else(optimally). If someone doesnt have the resolve to handle his or her own worst qualities, i feel that person is selfish to the point where he or she is putting themselves ahead of who they are supposed to love the most.

More Ni-ish philosophy. Even though it's about a typically Fi-topic, it's approached in an Ni + Ti manner. I should probably provide more evidence and analysis of this point, and I'd like to return to it later, but can't promise that I actually will. Do others agree with me on this?

silverchris9, what do you think? IMO it's clear that she's an Delta NF. I'm not sure about which type, assuming that admiration of people who can lead is her Dual-seeking, I'd say EII > IEE. In the end, EIIs are also not so organized.

Eh, Pinnochio, I'd like to agree with you on this, but I think I've gotta go with aixelsyd on this. Beta NF, probably IEI. lol. Everyone on the internet is IEI. But I think that NF is clear and Delta NF would be the thing I would encourage you to look at, pookie, after Beta NF, and explore what fits best.

[Pookie]

Hey thanks for all the feedback from everyone.

I have reading to do.

[Pookie]

Maybe you could give an example of hypocritical behavior that bothers you?

Hmm... well, when someone will complain or make a point about what someone is doing, and then not catch themselves when they do the same thing.

They don't like when someone else does "that", but when they do "that" it doesnt even register. And if you point it out to them, its because of "this". Not realizing that everybody has a "this" that compels their actions. Rigidness with the way others act, while having flexibility about themselves. That bothers me.

Does it help you more when others provide practical advice on how to accomplish those tasks in the quickest/most efficient way, or does it help you more when someone you like tells you to do it, and does it with you? Or even if they just work on something else while you work on that? And I don't mean tells you to do it in a "HEY YOU BETTER DO THAT OR ELSE" way, more of a, "Come on, let's sit down and get this done together," kind of way.

Man, i can work well with groups once the big picture is flushed out. If someone can point out that this, this, and this make that. Ill have no problem doing my small part as they do theirs. We can meld later. But without it being flushed out, working in groups is irritating, because i just feel like screaming what the fuck are we doing to get all the dawdelers on my wave length. If i dont know what im doing, it bothers me astronomically if someone in my group is lolligagging.

Interesting what you said about feeling "like an added weight". Do you think those feelings would be eased if someone was very clear about wanting you to join in?

Nope. Not at all. For instance, my rasta friend phil bought some beers last night. There was quite a few people over, drinking. But i was very withdrawn from drinking any of his beer. I didnt pay for it. Even after he said not to worry and i could have as many as i liked, i still only had 2 and i felt like i needed to pay a dollar to have my second.
I can be kind in giving, but i dont deal well with recieving kind gestures. However, i do recieve fair gestures well. If i earned it.

I'm working on a theory wherein Ni likes randomness too, just that it focuses on the suprising juxtaposition, the incongruity or the similarity pulled out of the difference, if that makes sense. The category error.

I cant picture what your saying, but i might have followed that. Can't give words to explain even what i think that means, though.

[silverchris9]

Nope. Not at all. For instance, my rasta friend phil bought some beers last night. There was quite a few people over, drinking. But i was very withdrawn from drinking any of his beer. I didnt pay for it. Even after he said not to worry and i could have as many as i liked, i still only had 2 and i felt like i needed to pay a dollar to have my second.
I can be kind in giving, but i dont deal well with recieving kind gestures. However, i do recieve fair gestures well. If i earned it.

I don't know if it's type related, but I *totally* relate to this. I don't receive nice gestures well either, including complements. Any time someone complements me on something, I have to deflect the complement to something else, i.e., "You did such a great job in that play!" "Oh, thanks--it's such great material/Bob is such a great director/It was such a great cast to work with, etc." I feel like if someone does me a favor I owe them, and I prefer to not owe people, so I feel a little uncomfortable accepting favors. I think it does help me if they really do want me to do whatever it is. Then I feel like they're not doing me a favor.

[Aiss]

Hmmm... sounds NF. Telling the truth but making it seem like you're kidding is a classic beta NF "clown" move. Do any Delta NFs relate to this? Also, as a beta, I just kind of have to say AMEN to this.

I've heard some say so, and it's definitely something I do as well. I thought it might be Fi-related (hence Fi-valuers not taking "jokes" about serious issues as lightly as Fe-valuers), but maybe it's not type related at all. I wouldn't say it's "classic beta NF", in any way.

Hmmm... but this here sounds like Te-polr... (said in a cowboy accent). Do Delta NFs relate to this feeling of inability to accomplish tasks they're not interested in? I find that Delta NFs complain more often of starting tasks and not completing them. Does it help you more when others provide practical advice on how to accomplish those tasks in the quickest/most efficient way, or does it help you more when someone you like tells you to do it, and does it with you? Or even if they just work on something else while you work on that? And I don't mean tells you to do it in a "HEY YOU BETTER DO THAT OR ELSE" way, more of a, "Come on, let's sit down and get this done together," kind of way.

No less than it sounds like Te-creative. Te isn't "meticulous work" or anything of the kind, this sounds like MBTI-like stereotypes. I would sooner blame irrationality.



Overall I had the same impression as others, there's a lot of both Ni and Fi in what you write. I would lean towards Delta NF, with Ni being less obvious (to me), but both are possible really. You should probably ask yourself what parts of what you said are because of who you are, and what because of who you were made to be (by the world, circumstances, life, family etc.).

[silverchris9]

I've heard some say so, and it's definitely something I do as well. I thought it might be Fi-related (hence Fi-valuers not taking "jokes" about serious issues as lightly as Fe-valuers), but maybe it's not type related at all. I wouldn't say it's "classic beta NF", in any way.

Maybe behaviorally it can be manifested by a variety of types, but I think that in sort of archetypal way, the clown that tells the truth and is smarter than the court, but acts as though (s)he's the dumbest person in the court and is just telling jokes, is an IEI sort of thing.

No less than it sounds like Te-creative. Te isn't "meticulous work" or anything of the kind, this sounds like MBTI-like stereotypes. I would sooner blame irrationality.

Um, certainly Te-polr is associated, in socionics, with difficulty handling mundane or practical tasks. But I did go back and read the original quote pookie posted, and (first of all, lol at "pookie posted," because it just makes you sound like the ghetto fabulous sistah--with an h--from down the block. I almost want to say "pookie had said" instead of "pookie posted"---"I had gone an went back and ha' look-did at what pookie had said, and I don't know what the hell I was thinkin', scu' me, I must have been havin' a senior moment, you know, I ain't as young as I used to be, chil'...") I was reading myself into that statement a little. He didn't say "tasks that are based on attending to practical matters and the maintenance thereof," he said "tasks that don't interest me." Even ILIs and SLIs are more ready to recognize and deal with the maintenance of practical issues than IEIs are, SLIs more so than ILIs.

The second thing is that this is a place where we have to focus on what elements Te is blocked with. I think Te is rightly associated with a sort of meticulousness. But I think that Delta Te is focused on meticulousness with an emphasis on practical tasks ("optimization" of resources, doing careful (obsessively) practical things to get the most use out of your resources), while Gamma Te, blocked with Ni, is necessarily focused on meticulousness with an emphasis on more theoretical things, meticulousness in tracking changes over time, as in the Gamma NT stockbroker/I-banker stereotype (a stereotype with some truth to it---Te and Ni blocked together are very much suited to what people in the finance industry do: predict future trends by wading through large quantities of data---and note that "data" is another kind of Te "fact").

[Aiss]

Um, certainly Te-polr is associated, in socionics, with difficulty handling mundane or practical tasks. But I did go back and read the original quote pookie posted, and (first of all, lol at "pookie posted," because it just makes you sound like the ghetto fabulous sistah--with an h--from down the block. I almost want to say "pookie had said" instead of "pookie posted"---"I had gone an went back and ha' look-did at what pookie had said, and I don't know what the hell I was thinkin', scu' me, I must have been havin' a senior moment, you know, I ain't as young as I used to be, chil'...") I was reading myself into that statement a little. He didn't say "tasks that are based on attending to practical matters and the maintenance thereof," he said "tasks that don't interest me." Even ILIs and SLIs are more ready to recognize and deal with the maintenance of practical issues than IEIs are, SLIs more so than ILIs.

The second thing is that this is a place where we have to focus on what elements Te is blocked with. I think Te is rightly associated with a sort of meticulousness. But I think that Delta Te is focused on meticulousness with an emphasis on practical tasks ("optimization" of resources, doing careful (obsessively) practical things to get the most use out of your resources), while Gamma Te, blocked with Ni, is necessarily focused on meticulousness with an emphasis on more theoretical things, meticulousness in tracking changes over time, as in the Gamma NT stockbroker/I-banker stereotype (a stereotype with some truth to it---Te and Ni blocked together are very much suited to what people in the finance industry do: predict future trends by wading through large quantities of data---and note that "data" is another kind of Te "fact").

No, not mundane or practical - this is more N/S related. I'm virtually incapable of completing tasks which hold little to no interest to me unless there are consequences I want to avoid more (like turning in assignments at some point so as not to fail the class - I imagine even IEIs deign to do that). In this way I totally relate to the original statement, and neither it nor your interpretation convinces me it's related to devalued or weak Te. Even LIEs are known for hating mundane details, especially manifested as dislike of bureaucracy. Dealing easily with large quantities of information doesn't mean said information can hold no interest to an individual to be dealt with effectively (motivation issues). Although I still think Ip temperament has its say in it.

I think while it obviously applies to IEIs, it's more a combination of devalued Si + Te block, introversion and irrationality. The way I understand it, Te-PoLR is malfunctioning Te, often inaccurately assessing data's reliability and usefulness, thus hating to have anything to do with this, preferring to adhere to a logical framework instead. You don't need a lot of data or even focus on facts/efficiency for something to be simple and mundane - unless IEIs are fine with this sort of repetitive tasks, which I don't think to be true.

The difference between Si + Te and Ni + Te seems to me more of a focus on getting the present task done as well as possible (Si) or doing things which will matter most in the long term (Ni), hence ILIs' and LIEs' difficulty with accepting daily chores or tasks that "don't change anything".

[Pookie]

I am a couch potato, but i am in pretty good shape. No weight issues.

[Beautiful sky]

I am a couch potato, but i am in pretty good shape. No weight issues.

lol...you're so sweet.

[Beautiful sky]

I am a couch potato, but i am in pretty good shape. No weight issues.

1. Do you run into objects easily or randomly?

what pisses you off in others? Someone who puts themselves as the top priority over those they are closest to.

Do you like hierarchy?

Your lack of organization may come from a lot of things like mood, or being introverted, all sorts of things, but so far you give off the sense of not being very active generally, so you are more of an introvert.

Just because you said you have your head in the clouds doesn't mean you're N type; N type, I think generally have a certain sense of 6th connection with things that are not apparent, physical, or being able to decipher easily by physical features. Story telling is not really N either; anyone can make a hypothetical situation out of something they experienced in real life. The Wikisocion dichotomies point to N type for you, but I don't agree with how they distinguished that category.

Are you rigid and/or stubborn?
Once you've made a decision, do you feel comfortable changing it?

You value rationality because you said that you like it when people start something and finish it and so unfinished things doen't seem to bother you very much...hence I would exclude INTp/ESFp or even for that matter, INFp/ESTp.

Some values that you have pointed out do point to any type and some I have noticed are tidbits of a lot of types values, but so far beta Rational is what I see and feel.

Beta Rational types like Fe; would you please read this on Fe and tell me what you like?
This is, that they like an emotional atmosphere. They like it when there is a display of emotions and when their own emotions are pulled out to display.

Delta Rational like emotions but they do better in a very calm environment or just uplifted, slightly comic, not sad and or sentimental, but the Delta SLI may sometimes prefer sentimentality, but not to a generally consistant level.

[Pookie]

1. Do you run into objects easily or randomly?

Abruptly actually, im normally really good at not running into things. So i dont do so easily. And Randomly would imply that i sporadically and occasionally run into it. Abruptly is more fitting because im normally not aware of its presence at all if i run into it.

Do you like hierarchy?

Im afraid i dont understand what youre asking. Like hierarchy? Im not sure how one could like it. Now, i understand it. Why its employed and why its accepted. For instance, say my friend "Daniel" is a much more trustworthy guy than my acquantaince "Austin". I have daniel closer into my circle or higher in my hierarchy because i can trust him more. Plus, no one really likes to get screwed over... so of course Hierarchies will appear amongst groups.

But like hierarchy? i dont know...

Just because you said you have your head in the clouds doesn't mean you're N type; N type, I think generally have a certain sense of 6th connection with things that are not apparent, physical, or being able to decipher easily by physical features. Story telling is not really N either; anyone can make a hypothetical situation out of something they experienced in real life. The Wikisocion dichotomies point to N type for you, but I don't agree with how they distinguished that category.

I concentrate more on catching the bigger picture and can explain somewhat complicated of stuff kind of easily. But i also, normally, miss specifics when it comes to remembering, and i learn better from theory and picturing it in my head than from doing it hands on.

These point to N right?

Are you rigid and/or stubborn?
Once you've made a decision, do you feel comfortable changing it?

No, and constantly.

You value rationality because you said that you like it when people start something and finish it and so unfinished things doen't seem to bother you very much...hence I would exclude INTp/ESFp or even for that matter, INFp/ESTp.

Hmm, i think there might have been some context clue left out when i said that because that doesnt sound like me very much. Can you re-quote it for me =)

Some values that you have pointed out do point to any type and some I have noticed are tidbits of a lot of types values, but so far beta Rational is what I see and feel.

Beta Rational types like Fe; would you please read this on Fe and tell me what you like?
This is, that they like an emotional atmosphere. They like it when there is a display of emotions and when their own emotions are pulled out to display.

Delta Rational like emotions but they do better in a very calm environment or just uplifted, slightly comic, not sad and or sentimental, but the Delta SLI may sometimes prefer sentimentality, but not to a generally consistant level.

I absolutely like an emotional atmosphere. Whats a big difference between the Beta Rational and the beta irrational in this regard? Same for Delta.

[Slacker]

Maritsa's questions would be better if you were trying to decide between Delta ST and Beta ST. At least that last one. I'm Delta NF and I don't mind at all being in an emotional atmostphere.

I don't think you're going to get it figured out in this thread. I think you'll have to learn Socionics better, and then you'll be the best judge of what type you are.

[Suz]

Ok, so this is going to be long, and rather uncensored in some portions. But i feel thats for the better if im to learn anything here. Forgive me if i might offend you at certain spots.

what pisses you off in others? Someone who puts themselves as the top priority over those they are closest to. Hypocritical behavior. People who are driven to impress others, rather than improve themselves. Pleasure driven behavior. The concept of status or Image.

In yourself? My lethargicness. My inability to accomplish tasks i dont find stimulating.

What do you wish you did differently? Acted on Impulse more often, i couldnt tell you the amount of positive things ive passed up by simply thinking too much about it and psyching myself out, or passing up things that are offered because i dont want to feel like an added weight.

What do you admire in other people? To me, admiration is one of the emotions farthest removed from understanding. If i understand someone, they aren't viewed on a pedastool. I know there good qualities and i know their bad qualities. It all comes together as one cohesive ying yang balancing act and i try to appease the whims of their personality. Admiration on the other hand, is given to those we dont know fully, for traits we dont identify in ourselves. But traits that would be benificial to ourselves if we had them. With that said: I admire those who constantly start projects, and finish them. People who arent afraid to take charge of a situation, to lead. People who have the practicality to synthesize with their rational side and handle the mundane tasks that i ignore. And probably more so.

What do you like best about yourself? I am Kind. I feel good when i make others feel good. I can learn in my head, understand the variables of this and that and act appropriately. I bust peoples balls, all the time. Most people think im kidding, but normally im telling my truthful opinion - those who know me see i do so with good intentions. Its not until something is addressed can we act to change it, and shit, if they dont see it, Not telling them is only hindering them. And that inaction would make me a terrible friend.

What sorts of things are you best at/enjoy most? Once someone points out an insightful point or observation, i can absorb it and expand, Filling in the blanks and understanding the variables that can make the insight wrong or even more true than originally expected. Breaking down fighters in combat sports, understanding through watching and theorizing. Finding what it will take to beat them, and at the same time, what will never work. I think in motion. Im good with juggling and weighing concepts. Dealing with the subjective, while holding firm the humbling belief that nothing is objective. Im absurdly optimistic, with the occasional feeling of foreboding danger to keep me in check. Im good with kids, and im good with finding the words to describe how i feel about an issue.

What sorts of things are your worst at/enjoy least? Organization, Using the facts. Being a Host. Keeping my sense logic when im emotionally perturbed. Coming up with things to do. Being sensitive and tactful to things im not aware of. For instance: the occasional spousal abuse joke has backfired, as have the occasional rape joke. But, shiiit. Maybe that girl shouldnt have been drinking so much. How do you even know you were raped, when you cant even remember the night? Sounds like a not so well thought out excuse to garner pity from others, but i digress. And possibly apologize.

Is there a quadra you identify with (alpha, beta, gamma, delta)? I appreciate Random nonsensical nonsense. Like furry bunny barbarians fighting dragons on horseback for the throne of guatamala. Also, cartoon metaphors. I do that alot. But, mainly Beta now that ive found a way to look it up. Heated theoretical discussion, bouncing ideas back and forth with banter. The heated aspect comes from getting caught in the moment and the innate need to be understood. Not so much from anger or feeling that im right. I feel honest expression is key to understanding yourself, and therefore understanding others eventually. However, I dont deal well with serious confrontation. But rather i shy away from it until i tantrum.

Who do you think is a failure of a person and why? The Self-centered, uncompassionate. But other than those who live purely for themselves, i feel practically everyone is a balancing act of the good and bad that comes with different cognitive skills. Ti and Fe for instance both do certain things well and certain things bad. Ying Yang magic.

What qualities attract you? Hmm... theres so many qualities out there. If i was to break down the spectrum of personality into 4 aspects - the Abstract, the Down to Earth, the Deep, and the Edgy - I would choose the Deep and the Abstract. The down to earth i dont relate to, as im not here on earth. Im in the sky whisping around, and honestly i don't give a damn about your car or your shoes. And the deep is for emotional comfort. Someone who looks within themselves enough to be molded by the metaphorical water pressure that comes from being at the bottom of the ocean. Aka the morals and values deepest at their core.

What qualities repulse you? The Materialistic & the self-centered. These i am instinctually predjudice against. Also, the type of cowardice that comes from running away from the issues every individual knows they need to put in check the most. Since relationships are symbiotic exchanges with the people we love most, we effect the people we care for the most with our actions and thoughts. We exchange with those people more than anyone else(optimally). If someone doesnt have the resolve to handle his or her own worst qualities, i feel that person is selfish to the point where he or she is putting themselves ahead of who they are supposed to love the most.

You sound Delta NF to me, with the exception of the random humor u like and the "heated arguments" you mentioned. But IEE's also like to have debates and discussions (heated in our perspective is not REALLY heated as per the beta culture) about topics that interest them. I know we in the Delta forum like to have mature, intellectual philosophical discussions about low key but interesting topics. you will not really find such discourse in any other quadra. I also mistyped myself as IEI when i first joined, for about 6 months, due to trying to convert from MBTI where I consistently would test INFJ. I experienced the wrath of beta and it was not pretty.


p.s. dont ignore polikujm's advice pookie he speaks from experience, as do i with this statement.

[Creepy-Pied Piper]

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[Suz]

+ idiosyncratic and senile .

I guess to alphas that's what it seems like.

[Creepy-Pied Piper]

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[Suz]

You know, when I saw those discussions in Delta, where people were so affected discussing "important" matters it was like in the middle of a discussion between oldies about trivial things.

Keep that boring Delta lounge running people, don't let them take the retiring pension and medication away from you!

LOL omg, that cracks me up!