Are LIIs-INTjs reliable people?

[Crispy]

I MUST do anything I agree to do.
If I don't do what I MUST do I FAIL, and that's no good.
Consequently I don't agree to do much.

[Krig the Viking]

I MUST do anything I agree to do.
If I don't do what I MUST do I FAIL, and that's no good.
Consequently I don't agree to do much.

You've expressed my own views on the subject precisely and succinctly.

[krieger]

They're supposed to be. Myself, I tend not to be very reliable.

People who are not "reliable" and are less confident in their self typing are likely not to speak up out of fear of having their type doubted.

[Exodus]

Hehe, this is an interesting question. I have terrible self-discipline but I generally expect people (myself included) to not let anyone down if they can. If it's something for "the man" I couldn't give a shit ( sux) but if it's something for a friend that I said I would do I'll try my best to do it.
Not so much a I-will-always-do-what-you-expect but more a I-will-always-try-my-best.

On the other hand, irrationals suck at being reliable.

[Creepy-Pied Piper]

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[Exodus]

electric sheep: I'm certain that this is your Dual-seeking. ESIs are either in or out, they don't dispute that anymore. But they choose people carefully, picked by hand.

As you can see, the LIIs say "if". You're looking for "no if" - that's not LII. And the fact that you don't even consider reciprocity is another clue.
ESEs are doers by themselves, they don't use to rely on others, especially in practical matters.

This is Fe, what you're looking for is Fi - commitments.

Hmm...

[electric sheep]

I have an ESE ex-colleague who keeps a barbershop with his wife and he's doing most of the things by himself - I don't know his wife's type, but he never complained about her but some dishonest employees. When he has problems, he just calls around and finds out who can help & stuff, he doesn't have "reliable" people - and actually no ESE I know, but they have a lot of friends who do favors to them and back.

This is Fe, what you're looking for is Fi - commitments.

How do you know what I'm looking for? Are you trolling again? How do you know I don't fit what you just described? How do you know your colleague never complains about unreliable people? Can no one speak candidly without having their type questioned by you? No one is a cookie cutter representative of their type.

[Creepy-Pied Piper]

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[Creepy-Pied Piper]

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[MatthewZ]

Edit: for your information, both Alpha NTs are unreliable when it comes to helping others, they are do-it-yourself people, don't expect that from an LII. Period.

If I agree to do something, I'm going to come through with it.

[electric sheep]

I was thinking, they may act very much like me, which is yes they would be very reliable, when they can get to doing whatever they promised to do; but, that they are not inflicted with guilt as we are.

oh and they don't try to guilt trip people. That's how LIIs are different from EIIs.

I MUST do anything I agree to do.
If I don't do what I MUST do I FAIL, and that's no good.
Consequently I don't agree to do much.

I try not to give people an opportunity to let me down, if that makes any sense. Once I'm disappointed, it's hard to shake my perception of someone as unreliable.

[Creepy-Pied Piper]

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[krieger]

How do you do that? Remind them of the issues or simply never (or very rarely) do you assign tasks to people, fearing they'd let you down?

I assume people are unreliable. It's the only sensible thing to do.

Another question is: what about you, do you let people down or fulfill what is assigned to you diligently?

I forget about some detail of the assignment, or end up committing to it in a half-assed way because something more important turned up.

[Krig the Viking]

I assume people are unreliable. It's the only sensible thing to do.

Agreed.

[electric sheep]

hmmm reliable might not be the right word. Maybe just someone who I know will be there when I need them. I rarely if ever need favors from people, but it's just really nice to have someone there that I wont have to go track down or do the scheduling thing, trying to find out when a good time/day is.

[Crispy]

hmmm reliable might not be the right word. Maybe just someone who I know will be there when I need them. I rarely if ever need favors from people, but it's just really nice to have someone there that I wont have to go track down or do the scheduling thing, trying to find out when a good time/day is.

Friday Afternoon to Sunday Afternoon?

[Aiss]

hmmm reliable might not be the right word. Maybe just someone who I know will be there when I need them. I rarely if ever need favors from people, but it's just really nice to have someone there that I wont have to go track down or do the scheduling thing, trying to find out when a good time/day is.

Not a LII but for the sake of comparison: I can do a lot for my friends on the spot, when they need me, emergency calls and such, as long as they genuinely need it (i.e. it's not a whim), but I'll do my best to dodge any attempt to make me commit to something in the future, and hate anything that "hangs over me". I don't want to have my options limited by previous commitments, although to some extent it's unavoidable. I'm also very unreliable when it comes to them, because as the situation changes, I may find it worthier to choose another path. And don't even mention deadlines.

What Pinocchio says about Gamma/Alpha NTs in general sounds more like rationality/irrationality, or at least more like LSE than LIE. Either that or he's right and I'm an Alpha NT. Which I don't think I am.

[Misfit]

I assume people are unreliable. It's the only sensible thing to do.



I forget about some detail of the assignment, or end up committing to it in a half-assed way because something more important turned up.

same here. i can never trust anyone because i am always on high alert, picking out what doesn't fit, which other people don't notice. for instance, it doesn't occur to many people now that I've been in college a while and I've known immigrant friends who came with their parents to apply BEFORE the deadline, and even my own family makes similar mistakes, so I just do it myself, but yet when others expect things of me I can't understand why it's so important, especially being on the spectrum, and I just fail on purpose.

[Misfit]

I also forget everything. So many things overwhelm me at once, and then just as I'm about to do one last thing, another thing shows up and i implode or explode a little.

[rtht]

Also do TI doms have a good memory for the names of things, because it's a TI category?? I often struggle with this.....

[electric sheep]

please don't hijack my thread maritsa