Are LIIs-INTjs reliable people?

[electric sheep]

Would you (LII) consider yourself a reliable person? What does reliable mean to you?

[Crispy]

I MUST do anything I agree to do.
If I don't do what I MUST do I FAIL, and that's no good.
Consequently I don't agree to do much.

[electric sheep]

I was thinking, they may act very much like me, which is yes they would be very reliable, when they can get to doing whatever they promised to do; but, that they are not inflicted with guilt as we are.

oh and they don't try to guilt trip people. That's how LIIs are different from EIIs.

I MUST do anything I agree to do.
If I don't do what I MUST do I FAIL, and that's no good.
Consequently I don't agree to do much.

I try not to give people an opportunity to let me down, if that makes any sense. Once I'm disappointed, it's hard to shake my perception of someone as unreliable.

[electric sheep]

please don't hijack my thread maritsa

[The Exception]

Would you (LII) consider yourself a reliable person? What does reliable mean to you?

I consider myself to be very reliable. If I say I'm going to do something, I try to do it if at all possible and if I don't do it, there had better be a very good reason. For me, alot of it ties in with the Fi role function. Keeping my promises to others and not letting others down.

[Krig the Viking]

I MUST do anything I agree to do.
If I don't do what I MUST do I FAIL, and that's no good.
Consequently I don't agree to do much.

You've expressed my own views on the subject precisely and succinctly.

[krieger]

They're supposed to be. Myself, I tend not to be very reliable.

People who are not "reliable" and are less confident in their self typing are likely not to speak up out of fear of having their type doubted.

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[krieger]

How do you do that? Remind them of the issues or simply never (or very rarely) do you assign tasks to people, fearing they'd let you down?

I assume people are unreliable. It's the only sensible thing to do.

Another question is: what about you, do you let people down or fulfill what is assigned to you diligently?

I forget about some detail of the assignment, or end up committing to it in a half-assed way because something more important turned up.

[Krig the Viking]

I assume people are unreliable. It's the only sensible thing to do.

Agreed.

[electric sheep]

hmmm reliable might not be the right word. Maybe just someone who I know will be there when I need them. I rarely if ever need favors from people, but it's just really nice to have someone there that I wont have to go track down or do the scheduling thing, trying to find out when a good time/day is.

[Exodus]

Hehe, this is an interesting question. I have terrible self-discipline but I generally expect people (myself included) to not let anyone down if they can. If it's something for "the man" I couldn't give a shit ( sux) but if it's something for a friend that I said I would do I'll try my best to do it.
Not so much a I-will-always-do-what-you-expect but more a I-will-always-try-my-best.

On the other hand, irrationals suck at being reliable.

[Crispy]

hmmm reliable might not be the right word. Maybe just someone who I know will be there when I need them. I rarely if ever need favors from people, but it's just really nice to have someone there that I wont have to go track down or do the scheduling thing, trying to find out when a good time/day is.

Friday Afternoon to Sunday Afternoon?

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[Exodus]

electric sheep: I'm certain that this is your Dual-seeking. ESIs are either in or out, they don't dispute that anymore. But they choose people carefully, picked by hand.

As you can see, the LIIs say "if". You're looking for "no if" - that's not LII. And the fact that you don't even consider reciprocity is another clue.
ESEs are doers by themselves, they don't use to rely on others, especially in practical matters.

This is Fe, what you're looking for is Fi - commitments.

Hmm...

[electric sheep]

I have an ESE ex-colleague who keeps a barbershop with his wife and he's doing most of the things by himself - I don't know his wife's type, but he never complained about her but some dishonest employees. When he has problems, he just calls around and finds out who can help & stuff, he doesn't have "reliable" people - and actually no ESE I know, but they have a lot of friends who do favors to them and back.

This is Fe, what you're looking for is Fi - commitments.

How do you know what I'm looking for? Are you trolling again? How do you know I don't fit what you just described? How do you know your colleague never complains about unreliable people? Can no one speak candidly without having their type questioned by you? No one is a cookie cutter representative of their type.

[electric sheep]

Friday Afternoon to Sunday Afternoon?

I'll mark my calendar

[MatthewZ]

In the words of suicide bombers in delivery trucks:

Nothing stops the mail.

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[Aiss]

hmmm reliable might not be the right word. Maybe just someone who I know will be there when I need them. I rarely if ever need favors from people, but it's just really nice to have someone there that I wont have to go track down or do the scheduling thing, trying to find out when a good time/day is.

Not a LII but for the sake of comparison: I can do a lot for my friends on the spot, when they need me, emergency calls and such, as long as they genuinely need it (i.e. it's not a whim), but I'll do my best to dodge any attempt to make me commit to something in the future, and hate anything that "hangs over me". I don't want to have my options limited by previous commitments, although to some extent it's unavoidable. I'm also very unreliable when it comes to them, because as the situation changes, I may find it worthier to choose another path. And don't even mention deadlines.

What Pinocchio says about Gamma/Alpha NTs in general sounds more like rationality/irrationality, or at least more like LSE than LIE. Either that or he's right and I'm an Alpha NT. Which I don't think I am.

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[Aiss]

I didn't talk about Gamma NTs, you fucking piece of shit! I was talking about LIEs, specifically.

Stop always misrepresenting what I say, you shitty twerp!

You spoke of Gammas and Fi-valuing being at the root of it, and both Alpha NTs, making the implicit comparison in this context. That's hardly the only point though. Even if we assume you didn't mean both Gamma NTs, I disagree since I know more reliable LIIs alone than such irrationals. Let's say the pattern is too weak to consider it, however. Or too influence by life's experiences. Or something. Nonetheless, what you said about LIEs and discipline and reliability sounds exaggerated, especially in comparison to LSx types.

Also, you're really bad at playing black ball.

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[Aiss]

Don't be so sure, that depends on who's judging. Sticking into the discussions to misrepresent people is trolling, disrupting a board discussion with provocative and misguiding posts. You've done this all the time, not only to me.

Really? So I should just withhold my own opinion, since it doesn't seem to go with Pinocchiostream? Except I couldn't care less whether you agree. FYI I happened to be replying to electric sheep when you decided to insult me for daring to disagree with your assertions about LIEs and Gammas in general, at least some of which I consider misleading.

[krieger]

Socionics is inconsistent. It doesn't work regardless of what perspective you view it from.

[electric sheep]

Don't be so sure, that depends on who's judging. Sticking into the discussions to misrepresent people is trolling, disrupting a board discussion with provocative and misguiding posts. You've done this all the time, not only to me.

If anyone is doing this it is you. Please, you have no idea what you're talking about, just get out of this thread. It's too bad your knowledge of socionics can't compensate you for your complete lack of understanding of human nature. So yes, you are the one who is disrupting with your provocative an misguided posts. Now kindly fuck off.

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[krieger]

Edit: you'll never be able to force your self-typing on us.

Put ", demon." behind that and it'll be tcaudilllg quote worthy.

[MatthewZ]

Edit: for your information, both Alpha NTs are unreliable when it comes to helping others, they are do-it-yourself people, don't expect that from an LII. Period.

If I agree to do something, I'm going to come through with it.

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[MatthewZ]

Yup, I know, "if". This is why LIIs don't use to make promises. I was just referring to the case electric sheep put up: being there, ready, like I'm basing on you to help me when I need, but actually it's most likely that an LII will refuse someone who asks for services in the same amount he will accept, if not much more.

Fair enough. Of course, almost anyone in a close relationship is going to be prepared to bail someone out in a pinch.

[Crispy]

Yeah I despise helping and being helped. Same goes with favors. And I never lend/borrow money anymore. Meh, it's better than the alternative.
EDIT: and of course I'm referring to a non-close relationship

[Exodus]

Socionics is inconsistent. It doesn't work regardless of what perspective you view it from.

I can see why you would think that from reading this forum...

Edit: for your information, both Alpha NTs are unreliable when it comes to helping others, they are do-it-yourself people, don't expect that from an LII. Period.

This is kind of an exaggeration...are you trying to give us a bad reputation?

[Creepy-bg]

Put ", demon." behind that and it'll be tcaudilllg quote worthy.

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[jewels]

I know a couple of INTjs who are often late, and often cancel last minute -- not always, but sometimes. It's especially amusing because one likes to make mean comments that she "left an extra 10 minutes late" because she figured I would be late -- when she is often 20 minutes more late than me....

Flakiness isn't type related. I even know an ISTj who is sometimes an hour late to things, or is generally extremely flaky. I'm usually on time these days, as I finally learned to estimate how long things would take.

And some INTjs do guilt trip, but in a passive aggressive way...

[electric sheep]

Please tell me what doesn't make sense in my previous posts on the matter. Then you have the right to kick me out.

Anything you won't address will denote an agreement or inability to debunk, including what I said about loyalty, reliability, Jack London and E 6w7. Thank you!
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Edit: you'll never be able to force your self-typing on us.

fwiw your posts are generally not worth reading because they are predicated on assumption after assumption. You just jump wherever your misinformed intuition takes you. Socionics gives you the illusion that you understand people and that's what makes you dangerous... and annoying. That is why your previous posts don't make sense, because you have no idea what you're talking about. I'm not interested in arguing with you. All you had to do was say "no, they are not reliable people" because that's why I made this thread. Maybe I don't need reliable people? What makes you think I can't take care of myself? How do you know your colleague never complains about unreliable people? How do you know I don't have a list of people I can call on for help when I need them like your colleague does?

[April]

My INTj boyfriend is very reliable IF he remembers to do something. Often times, I'll ask him to get a prescription at the drugstore for me, pick me up from somewhere, etc. and he'll completely forget within 30 seconds. I've learned to write him little post-its and send e-mail reminders about stuff. He actually really wants to remember stuff and be reliable, but he has the absent-minded professor syndrome.

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