Quasi-identicals having irritating never ending discussions

[sarinana]

Read this and tell me what inter relation is that?


I noticed myself having never ending discussions with my ENFp friend.
Once we were going to this concert and we talked about random things until this IEE blurped: cartoons and TV shows are basically the same
me: no they are not the same
IEE: they are. if you think differently give me your arguments.
me: for the first part animation and TV shows are not the same because....
IEE interrupted me: let's take Married with kids and Simpsons for example
me: I am not talking about Married with kids and Simpson I am talking about cartoons and TV shows being different as in general!
IEE: so the Simpson and Married with kids are basically both are parodies of a stereotypical American family....
me: hey do you even understand that I am not talking about Simpsons and....
IEE interrupts again: so you agree that Simpsons and Married with kids are basically the same?
me: no i do not agree with (meaning to say that animation and TV shows are the same)
IEE interrupted me again and we kept trying to explain each other for like 20minutes... then:
IEE: so you finally agree with me!
me: No I do not! You are not even listening to what I am wanting to say!

IEE: let's start from the beginning... I think Married with Kids and The Simpsons are the same and my arguments are....
I interrupted: Can you for once listen to me! It's impossible to discuss with you, you do not listen!
IEE: that's cause you don't know how to discuss.
me: THE ACTUAL BEGINNING of our discussion is you saying that cartoons and TV shows are the same!!!!
IEE: I did not said that!!! I was talking about married with kids and simpsons.
me: yeah for the last 30 minutes you were. But everything started from your statement about animation! and then you jumped to married with kids and simpsons. i do understand what you mean about married with kids shit but all this time i was arguing on TV shows and Cartoons in general.
IEE: There was no such statement from me!
me: cool you even don't even remember what you are saying.
IEE: I do remember I did not said this!
me: enough! either you stop arguing with me or I will leave you here just now!
IEE: how you wish
me: i can do that!
IEE: i know you can.
me: this was the last word of you?

IEE looking pissed but we ended our discussion finally.

after 5 minutes

IEE: i told you I did not slept enough today and I am easily irritated today. And you are irritating me.
me: yeah yeah. do you have anything more to say?
IEE: what?
me: anything you like. remember when you accused for me being not eloquent when I didn't knew what to answer in your question "tell me something". Can I accuse you for this now too?
IEE: why are you nagging me for the things I say?
me: because you do not remember what you say!

after this a calm break. only for a while....

IEE: are you really a racist?
me: Yeah of course! I've read ******s biography and I actually started making love to myself while reading it. (I was not being serious even tho I made myself sound like I was)
IEE: what? are you being serious???
me: totally serious! ****** was awesome!
IEE: even if you are joking it's not funny. there was nothing good about ****** he killed so many people and etc etc etc
me: but such a charisma! and those days does not seem so boring at least.
IEE: No you are crazy! Would you like to be a Jew at that time?
me: why not? i would have a chance to survive still! and my life would be way more interesting than it is right now!
IEE: everything ****** done was inhumane!!!
me: well some disposal is natural. Among animals and among humans too. If mother nature is too lazy then some ****** comes.
IEE: Now you are immoral!
me: I am immoral? why? I haven't done anything immoral myself.


Well I did not really meant the things I said. I was just not expecting IEE taking me so serious and then had fun with it.


and we have LOTS AND LOTS misunderstandings like that with him. It's even making me exhausted. but the last one was about socionics.

me sending the link of description of ENFp to him: that's a lot like you!
he: and what parts fit me in your opinion?
me: almost everything. read!
he: for example?
me: I told you almost everything. you just need to read yourself!
he: then tell me what does not fit me
me: find yourself. i already closed the window.
he: yeah it fits me as much as 50 of my acquaintances who have no similarities in themselves actually.
me: you just don't get the theory.
he: I can bet this description fits me as much as it fits you.
me: you need to study the theory before splurging with such statements.
he: ahem... you mean hypothesis not theory...
me: IT IS A THEORY! acknowledge yourself!
he: but wait.... oooooooooo "Currently, socionics has no academic backing and exists outside of official academia," nice
me: that's quite a new theory that's why it is so.
he: in a larger part of the world it's taken as hypothesis... not theory
me: that's cause americans have their mayers briggs. why would they need another analogue?
listen i will try to explain everything to you. cause right now you do not understand anything but only take some silly statements you find on wikipedia.
that's what i call being superficial. the worst trait of a human in my opinion.
he: enough of you judging me.
<me explaining him whole ego, super ego, etc model in the simplest way I could possibly put it. remembering how hard it was for me to understand in the beginning.>
he: I don't want to argue with you on this topic. I was never interested in socionics and I have a good reason for it. So I can't tell if this description fits me or not.
<me finishing whole explanation>
he: are you writing a novel?
me: no. I AM EXPLAINING TO YOU!
he: yeah everything is very clear to me.
me: is it irony again?
he: "Socionics has been called either protoscience or pseudoscience."
me: yeah and again.....
he: read what is pseudoscience... its the same as horoscopes (ironically he believes in horoscopes). thats not a science!
me: yeah its better than your horoscopes where the person is born and everything is so clear! Woohoo!
he: that's what i am trying to say... people are way too unique. and you can't define him after you asked him 30 questions. even 1000 wouldn't help.
me: yeah you don't like structures i got it.
he: okay I am ENFp and you are a typical Virgo. Happy now?
me: no. cause that's not the same as horoscopes.
he: if you will try to frame me you will get the same back. from my experiments you are a typical virgo.

[717495]

That would be interesting if you really are EIE, since it kind of reminds me how some of my discussions with quasi-identicals go, with LIIs. The only difference is now I try to shut up because I know its pointless getting into a conversation with them.

[Simon Ssmall]

He makes valid points when it comes to socionics. And he was not interested in it so why you tried to explain it to him. I he is TOTALY not interested in some pseudoscience why would he try to understand it. Makes no sense. If he was curious enough then sure, but he was nowhere near it. Its like Maritsa asking SlackerMom how to explain things to her to make her understand when she is NOT INTERESTED IN IT WHATSOEVER.

My two cents.

As for the first part he was an ass as far as i'm concerned. Interrupting people is not cool, especially often. I do that sometimes, but I try to constantly control this so I don't think i'm that bad, but who knows. When I speak I imagine my opinion is the most interesting and important .

[sarinana]

He makes valid points when it comes to socionics. And he was not interested in it so why you tried to explain it to him. I he is TOTALY not interested in some pseudoscience why would he try to understand it. Makes no sense. If he was curious enough then sure, but he was nowhere near it. Its like Maritsa asking SlackerMom how to explain things to her to make her understand when she is NOT INTERESTED IN IT WHATSOEVER.

My two cents.

As for the first part he was an ass as far as i'm concerned. Interrupting people is not cool, especially often. I do that sometimes, but I try to constantly control this so I don't think i'm that bad, but who knows. When I speak I imagine my opinion is the most interesting and important .

yea it's kind of I don't hate him and I am sure he doesn't hate me too. And I think he is a good person beside that but fuck...we just can't discuss anything with each other. Our discussions always end up with a huge irritation unless we switch from subject to subject without really analyzing them...

The thing is I am in a relationship with him. And that makes me want him to show at least some genuine interest in the things I am interested in. I would show it. And that's why I kept explaining to him.
But I feel like our relationship is getting nowhere... kind of like time stands still... and at the same time I can't just end it. Apart these never ending discussions there is no other reason. So I just avoid meeting him and hope maybe it will just vanish away with time.... cause I don't wanna hurt him since he disses all his ex girlfriends. And I don't want him to diss me afterward.

[Simon Ssmall]

Heh, my relationships with ENFj were one of the worst probably. There seems to be almost no common ground except a few topics, like travels and meeting new people...that's about it. If we stick to those topics then we see eye to eye if we switch to anything else then it simply leave us (or at least me) completely exhausted and frustrated.

[MatthewZ]

Cartoons and other TV shows really are the same, you know. Married with Kids and the Simpsons both capture the essence of a dysfunctional American family. Sure, some cartoons may diverge from the more "popular" genre seen in the rest of television, but it's ultimately just using different mediums to tell a story, which ultimately both can end up on our TV programming.

[sarinana]

Cartoons and other TV shows really are the same, you know. Married with Kids and the Simpsons both capture the essence of a dysfunctional American family. Sure, some cartoons may diverge from the more "popular" genre seen in the rest of television, but it's ultimately just using different mediums to tell a story, which ultimately both can end up on our TV programming.

You Ne people...
Cartoons are liked by the majority of kids since cartoons(not all of course) develop imagination. TV shows does not. Also there is something in Cartoons what is very hard to explain in words what TV shows lack...
Of course the main ideas behind TV shows and cartoons can be completely the same and completely different depending on the exact examples.

[sarinana]

So you think I am ENFj? and that this relationship is quasi-identical?