People who shove their opinions down your throat

[sarinana]

I have an EIE aquaintance that has strong opinions on most topics especially Jewish culture, and Neo-Nazis with ******. I told her about my interest in the paintings I post on my walls and I described each one to her. Selfishly she cuts me off when she is not interested with my choice of topic: "I dont' have any posters in my room." It's so frustrating

EIE may be like that when things crosses her ideology or beliefs.
But commenting on experiences it's more ESE like.
Then SEEs are more likely to make such comments on people
Fi vs Si vs Ni here...
as for example:
SEE: Nobody should be friends with her. She did this and that...
ESE: Don't try this dish! It's disgusting.
EIE: Who could dress like that? It's too vulgar.

[sarinana]

EIE or ESE is probable. Today we recieved some CD and she worried that a person so-called "stalker" was going to take her picture and mark it up or someone would print it out and use it as target practice. She's difficult. Also she is annoying

if you are not ij temperament yourself all ej types can come to you as annoying

[Singu]

I don't think that overly-aggressive behaviors are all the type-related.

[momoking]

that's a way to put it.

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

Hmm.

I just think you're not as nice as you think or something. A lot of people think they are being decent and respectful when really they're actually not. But I mean that's okay being nice and a 'lovable geek' is just sort of a social illusion anyway is it not?

[Mattie]

It hurts me to think people still think things like this are type related. Really people? And the same people ask and propagate these types of questions. No wonder discussions don't really go anywhere.

[stanprollyright]

My first instinct is to say Gamma

[Exodus]

EIE may be like that when things crosses her ideology or beliefs.
But commenting on experiences it's more ESE like.

Do you have a socionic explanation for this? I have met plenty of EIEs who are like this. It may just be a YMMV thing.

It hurts me to think people still think things like this are type related. Really people? And the same people ask and propagate these types of questions. No wonder discussions don't really go anywhere.

Seriously, it's not hard to see the connection to here. Do you honestly know any, say, IEEs or EIIs who would do something like the person mentioned in the OP? I certainly don't, but I know plenty of LSIs, for example, who would.

There is plenty of evidence for values too:

-focused on issues of real-world import
-interested in influencing others
-disregards alternate views (subdued )

The latter two things are probably what bothers warrior-librarian, not the opinionatedness, per se. warrior-librarian, does this sound right?

LSI is the most likely typing IMO.

[Singu]

Well if you say that it's type-related then it'll make it sound like it's normal for a certain type to act like that, when it's really just her anger and/or unresolved issues that is making her act that way.

I mean who DOESN'T like someone who disregards alternative views, or someone who is hell-bent on influencing others?

[Exodus]

Well if you say that it's type-related then it'll make it sound like it's normal for a certain type to act like that, when it's really just her anger and/or unresolved issues that is making her act that way.

SOME type-related behaviors are pathological. Certainly not all LSIs are like that, but if someone is like that then there is a good chance that they're LSI, but also have some psychological/interpersonal issues. Is that PC enough? Socionics is about explaining people's behavior, after all.

types are certainly more aggressive (on the whole) than other types, I don't even know what to say about this.

I mean who DOESN'T like someone who disregards alternative views, or someone who is hell-bent on influencing others?

This is just warrior-librarian's interpretation. Someone else might easily have a different view of the situation.

edit: reading the OP again makes me think some other type is possible, maybe SEE.

[Mattie]

Seriously, it's not hard to see the connection to here. Do you honestly know any, say, IEEs or EIIs who would do something like the person mentioned in the OP? I certainly don't, but I know plenty of LSIs, for example, who would.

Oh really? Is that your only evidence, that you personally haven't met someone that you've typed as an -ego that is super-opinionated and can't concieve of the idea? Sorry, but I'm calling bullshit. There is no reason to think that this behavior is prominent enough in one type to be criteria for spotting such a type. So, if I stick to my guns here, and I don't budge, are you going to start questioning my type since I'm not as passive as NeFi are supposed to be, as least, in your eyes? You are basically just applying stereotypes to the IEs; that is aggression and force while is logical rigidness. And that's just wrong, neither cause the traits that you are claiming, and its an overall practice that should stop in Socionics.

There is plenty of evidence for values too:

-focused on issues of real-world import
-interested in influencing others
-disregards alternate views (subdued )

The latter two things are probably what bothers warrior-librarian, not the opinionatedness, per se. warrior-librarian, does this sound right?

LSI is the most likely typing IMO.

Is that what you see IEs as? IEs in their function placements only provide us with a certain facet of thought processes, and all that is cited here are definitive links to personality traits is MBTI influences. Look at your list up there and tell me that isn't rhetoric similar to MBTI. Why does have to concerned with the "real world" as opposed to types? How come only types have the trait "disregards alternate views"? How about an type who feels like they generally consider all view-points, and when they hear something they haven't thought of, but sounds wrong, to completely disregard it? I think you can go through every IE and find out how they could be this way.

[The Exception]

There is plenty of evidence for values too:

-focused on issues of real-world import
-interested in influencing others
-disregards alternate views (subdued )

The latter two things are probably what bothers warrior-librarian, not the opinionatedness, per se. warrior-librarian, does this sound right?

LSI is the most likely typing IMO.

It's mainly the last one that bothers me. Having creative , I'm naturally going to be very sensitive to issues regarding potential. So if someone refuses to consider how something can have potential, it bothers me.

I have strong , so I naturally see potential in things, even when its not apparently obvious.

Wanting to influence others per se, doesn't really bother me. Its more the pushiness or dogmatism in others that bothers me. As if, their POV is the right one and others are wrong, which is really just a manifestation of disregarding alternative views again.

[Beautiful sky]

SOME type-related behaviors are pathological. Certainly not all LSIs are like that, but if someone is like that then there is a good chance that they're LSI, but also have some psychological/interpersonal issues. Is that PC enough? Socionics is about explaining people's behavior, after all.

types are certainly more aggressive (on the whole) than other types, I don't even know what to say about this.
This is just warrior-librarian's interpretation. Someone else might easily have a different view of the situation.

edit: reading the OP again makes me think some other type is possible, maybe SEE.

That's a terrible misconception and judgement on your part; I have seen many types who are if not worse.

[Creepy-Cyclops]

That's a terrible misconception and judgement on your part; I have seen many types who are if not worse.

You've been pretty aggressive I suppose, no?

[Beautiful sky]

You've been pretty aggressive I suppose, no?

I can be with pushy with argumentation with words but even then I feel it very sharply from the guilt end of it. Yet, even then it accumulates into a heep of volcanic erruption and it's not a healthy state to remain in.

[tcaudilllg]

I have a neighbor who's extremely opinionated about many things and doesn't hestitate to shove it down your throat. She's the kind of person that if she loves something or hates something, the whole world seems to know about it. She'll frequently post things on Facebook like how awful the movie she just saw was and she feels like it's her obligation to tell others how awful it is so that no one wastes their money or time on it. She's also that way about music, about restaurants (you must order this, don't order that!), books, TV, sports, politics, well everything.

It's as if she doesn't quite grasp that her opinion is not the final authority and that other people have different opinions on things.

Her point of view is completely different from mine. If I like or dislike something, I'm always careful to say that it's just my opinion, its not the absolute truth. But most of the time, I don't feel a need to broadcast to the whole world everytime I encounter something really good or really bad. I don't tell people things like, you gotta see this movie or avoid that one at all costs. What people do with their own time is their own business and as long as they're not harming anyone else, I really don't care. My neighbor thinks alot of things in this world are inherently good or inherently bad. I take a more relativistic stance. It's all in the eye of the beholder.

She's especially this way when it comes to politics. We're both pretty liberal politically but it seems like half her facebook posts are ranting against republicans and how they should just go to hell. Whereas I'm more like I don't agree with their agenda and I hope they get someone better for next term but complaining isn't going to do much and its just a waste of time.

I really don't know this person's socionic type. She's tested as ESFP and ENFP on separate occassions on the Myers-Briggs FWIW, which is not the same as socionics anyway.

Anyway, are there types you think that are more prone to the kinds of behaviors my neighbor demonstrates?

See the immanence type thread. It's the discordant types who shove their opinions down your throat. Generally though, ESEs are the most opinionated. (but again, only discordant ESEs are like to try to force you to accept their views).

[krieger]

Generally though, ESEs are the most opinionated.

I find that most are like MaliaFee in that they have few strong opinions and mostly just tend to ask people for their input on their topics of interest.

[Beautiful sky]

Oh really? Is that your only evidence, that you personally haven't met someone that you've typed as an -ego that is super-opinionated and can't concieve of the idea? Sorry, but I'm calling bullshit. There is no reason to think that this behavior is prominent enough in one type to be criteria for spotting such a type. So, if I stick to my guns here, and I don't budge, are you going to start questioning my type since I'm not as passive as NeFi are supposed to be, as least, in your eyes? You are basically just applying stereotypes to the IEs; that is aggression and force while is logical rigidness. And that's just wrong, neither cause the traits that you are claiming, and its an overall practice that should stop in Socionics.



Is that what you see IEs as? IEs in their function placements only provide us with a certain facet of thought processes, and all that is cited here are definitive links to personality traits is MBTI influences. Look at your list up there and tell me that isn't rhetoric similar to MBTI. Why does have to concerned with the "real world" as opposed to types? How come only types have the trait "disregards alternate views"? How about an type who feels like they generally consider all view-points, and when they hear something they haven't thought of, but sounds wrong, to completely disregard it? I think you can go through every IE and find out how they could be this way.

The above is right to a big extent.
Ne types don't necessarily consider all viewpoints only what is selectively making sense to them