Alphas, do you disrespect weakness?

[xerx]

Partially inspired by a description that says ESFj disrespect weakness, but aren't inclined to think that INTjs are weak bz INTjs stand up for their beliefs.

[Brilliand]

"Weak" is a rather vague term... hmm. Physical weakness I don't care about much at all. Other forms of weakness I dismiss as needlessly metaphorical and demand another term.

[MatthewZ]

Didn't your mother ever teach you to always look for the strengths and usefulness in the things around you rather than weakness?

[xerx]

Didn't your mother ever teach you to always look for the strengths and usefulness in the things around you rather than weakness?

Nope. My mother is an ENFj and she definitely despised weakness in others. Not so much in herself though.

[Krig the Viking]

I'm with Brilliand, it depends on what you mean by "weakness". Physical weakness I don't despise at all, in fact, I feel sympathy for it. Moral weakness, on the other hand, I absolutely loathe.

[Rubicon]

Yeah, I kinda do. Not physical weakness of itself, but displays of it - like an example that sticks in my mind is of this IEI guy who was arm-wrestling a guy and wouldn't give in .. I think he won actually, but he was all pale and trembling at the end of it and it kinda made me feel sick.. though I didn't want to feel that way. :/ I mostly felt embarrassed for him. Like why would he make a display of himself like that? I don't disrespect people who are physically weak, but cognizant of their limits - who don't go to stupid extremes like that. But weakness to me is mainly giving into a whim, temptation or something, regardless of a prior resolve made.

[Ave]

Nope. My mother is an ENFj and she definitely despised weakness in others. Not so much in herself though.

lol. That sounds familiar.

And I think ESFjs disrespect weakness because of their demonstrative . Its their way of showing INTjs what not to do etc.

[Creepy-Pied Piper]

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[Lycantrope]

"Weak" is a rather vague term... hmm. Physical weakness I don't care about much at all. Other forms of weakness I dismiss as needlessly metaphorical and demand another term.

Yeah, what I figured is that weakness for Alphas has a different meaning than just "the lack of Se"

[UDP]

Weakness disrespects alpha.

A lot.

[UDP]

PS: and your moms, too.



(PPS: thanks, firefox, for correcting my improper spelling of momma and suggesting, instead, moms. I find that even more entertaining)

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

Man you guys suck. It's not even that you're being judgemental and critical, it's your being inaccurate in your judgements and criticisms about people. You don't really have anything figured out, you naive little sheltered middle class nobodies. Fuck all of you. You won't even get to know people, you just know what they show you and you think that's the real thing. It's very faux-intellectualism.

[twitch]

Man you guys suck. It's not even that you're being judgemental and critical, it's your being inaccurate in your judgements and criticisms about people. You don't really have anything figured out, you naive little sheltered middle class nobodies. Fuck all of you. You won't even get to know people, you just know what they show you and you think that's the real thing. It's very faux-intellectualism.

Who are you referring particularly to? Maritsa33? or all who have posted here?

[Ave]

Man you guys suck. It's not even that you're being judgemental and critical, it's your being inaccurate in your judgements and criticisms about people. You don't really have anything figured out, you naive little sheltered middle class nobodies. Fuck all of you. You won't even get to know people, you just know what they show you and you think that's the real thing. It's very faux-intellectualism.

This guy is always complaining. I havent seen any real intellectualism from you either, just complaints that people "dont understand" yet do you understand anything?

[Froody Blue Gem]

Everyone has a weakness of some sort, and nobody is perfect. To balance that out, everyone has a strength as well. We can work in the areas that we thrive in, but also to overcome the weakness. People work at various paces to overcome their flaws. For some, its a lifelong struggle. It usually depends on the nature of the weakness, but I don't go as far as having a survival of the fittest type of mentality.

If someone denies that they have a weakness themselves, that in and of itself is a flaw. There are certain people I'm more willing to be opened about my own weaknesses than others, and yes its going to be apparent to many.

There are certain traits I'm more tolerant of than other traits, but that doesn't make them right, or wrong that people have them. There are times when I see some of my own weakness in another person and feel a little uneasy, but I don't condemn them for it.

[Nobody]

I guess so, if by weakness it can mean almost anything negative about someone or something. Sure, there are traits I don't like people to have, such as acting without thinking or being unwilling to consider that they might be misguided or wrong. Those are weaknesses that are hard to respect.

And I believe it's important to have a strong military force that exercises periodic shows of force, especially with allies, as a defensive measure. Because if you can't defend yourself from outside aggressors, how could you expect them not to take advantage of you? It would be nice, if that wouldn't happen and their was some sense of decency and fairness to how the human race relates with each other, but humans like to disregard rules when they think it's to their advantage (or goes against an instinct for dominion and dominance) and enslave, kill, torture, and flat-out use people and land they can conquer. So even though I don't think I value Se or even Te for that matter, it's hard to respect people that ignore that kind of reality because it's a kind of suicide, like the Native Americans being wiped out or the slaves taken from Africa or the awfully violent wars of shoguns and Samurai and the abusive effect it had on the farmers and lower classes in Japan, the warring dynasties of China and its ruthless overly authoritarian rulers, and the religious wars fought throughout Europe and the Middle East that justify almost any atrocities in the name of a God. I mean there's always a group of assholes looking to justify mass murder, insurrection, sedition, and some kind of idea of manifest destiny just because they find some reason or logic or belief that supposedly justifies it. And it takes immense patience to truly deal with people like this because they don't care about or even believe in the value of getting along; they are looking to purely take control, for better or worse​. Adam is probably generally right here -

I've since broadened my definition of the divide to be between Authoritarians who can never live comfortably in a liberal democracy, and those who are more open minded. I think this is the basic divide, and all others are built on it.

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nobody is perfect.

Ohh, you think so?

[Danali]

we need a 'not really' option...

it's something I notice in people but it's not important to me. If i do stumble across a 'weak' person, out of sheer curiosity, i'll poke and prod to see what makes them 'weak' but other than that it's not important to me...hence why i would've chosen 'not really'.

[FreelancePoliceman]

It might depend on the type of weakness.

[ouronis]

I dislike weakness when it means I can't count on somebody

[The Reality Denialist]

Weakness that is emphasized in terms of "look at me" mb.

[Poptart]

I don’t kick people when they’re down.

[chriscorey]

No, I'm not an animal.

[End]

I do wonder if this has anything to do with type/quadra but I can speak from the perspective of a metalhead. "Weakness" is a thing to be rightly despised and thoroughly disrespected. The "weak" have no place with our kind and deserve all they get and anyone who holds it up as some form of "virtue" is working for the great enemy. This is a grand irony for me as so many don't really seem to get what Christ meant when he said "the meek shall inherit the Earth". They equate "meek" with "weak". The "quiet ones" with "weak ones".

Sadly, there is a distinction to be had there that many fail to make. You see, there is "vulnerability" and then there is "weakness" shall we say. We are all the former in one form or another, but only the truly broken will equate that with the later. After all, a random meteorite could pulp your brain the instant you walk out the front door. You weren't weak, you were merely "vulnerable" to what amounts to a dice roll you're so unlikely to "fail" that you rightly never even think of it.

This has nothing to do with "physical" weakness BTW. It is, after all, an ideally temporary state. No body builder or Olympic "lifting" gold medalist just showed up at the tender age of 10 and set a world record. They had to work hard for that one in one form or another. Tons of "whimpy" metalheads out there who can and would show feats of mental and spiritual fortitude that'd put the beefiest strongmen to shame.

This is sadly a fact the soyboys have corrupted to give them succor as well I must sadly say. They imagine themselves titans of the mental realm, but they are, sadly for them, but small souled bugmen. Insects, ticks attached to a great mammoth imagining themselves the operating force behind it. Tragic. Well, almost tragic, if it wasn't for them being in a position for them to take out their frustrations on their hosts!

[Poptart]

I do wonder if this has anything to do with type/quadra but I can speak from the perspective of a metalhead. "Weakness" is a thing to be rightly despised and thoroughly disrespected. The "weak" have no place with our kind and deserve all they get and anyone who holds it up as some form of "virtue" is working for the great enemy. This is a grand irony for me as so many don't really seem to get what Christ meant when he said "the meek shall inherit the Earth". They equate "meek" with "weak". The "quiet ones" with "weak ones".

Sadly, there is a distinction to be had there that many fail to make. You see, there is "vulnerability" and then there is "weakness" shall we say. We are all the former in one form or another, but only the truly broken will equate that with the later. After all, a random meteorite could pulp your brain the instant you walk out the front door. You weren't weak, you were merely "vulnerable" to what amounts to a dice roll you're so unlikely to "fail" that you rightly never even think of it.

This has nothing to do with "physical" weakness BTW. It is, after all, an ideally temporary state. No body builder or Olympic "lifting" gold medalist just showed up at the tender age of 10 and set a world record. They had to work hard for that one in one form or another. Tons of "whimpy" metalheads out there who can and would show feats of mental and spiritual fortitude that'd put the beefiest strongmen to shame.

This is sadly a fact the soyboys have corrupted to give them succor as well I must sadly say. They imagine themselves titans of the mental realm, but they are, sadly for them, but small souled bugmen. Insects, ticks attached to a great mammoth imagining themselves the operating force behind it.

Do you have any weaknesses, or just “vulnerabilities”?

[End]

Do you have any weaknesses, or just “vulnerabilities”?

Only the later I pray. For if I have a "weakness" as I see it it means I have a sin I'm refusing to repent for and that means I am most assuredly bound for hell.

You've prompted me to reflect upon that fact. Thank you for hopefully helping me upon my path towards heaven .

[SGF]

q_q alphas are too good for this world ༼ つ ͡ ͡° ͜ ʖ ͡ ͡° ༽つ

[Ikite iru]

q_q alphas are too good for this world ༼ つ ͡ ͡° ͜ ʖ ͡ ͡° ༽つ

I remember reading a comment a long time ago of a British explorer who wrote about the indigenous people he found living in the Caribbean in the 1700s:

‘These people spend all day sitting around smoking tobacco and playing games. They would be easy to enslave.’

made me think of alpha for some reason.

[The Reality Denialist]

I remember reading a comment a long time ago of a British explorer who wrote about the indigenous people he found living in the Caribbean in the 1700s:

‘These people spend all day sitting around smoking tobacco and playing games. They would be easy to enslave.’

made me think of alpha for some reason.

Yet, this enslavement would be totally counterproductive. This is quite apparent in countries that have peripheral values. [Russia finally understood to leave Finland alone etc]. Passive or overt resistance is hard to overcome when the target is driven by intrinsic motivators and not by extrinsic ones.

[SGF]

I remember reading a comment a long time ago of a British explorer who wrote about the indigenous people he found living in the Caribbean in the 1700s:

‘These people spend all day sitting around smoking tobacco and playing games. They would be easy to enslave.’

made me think of alpha for some reason.

shhh, they don't need to know.. only when its too late.

[jason_m]

Partially inspired by a description that says ESFj disrespect weakness, but aren't inclined to think that INTjs are weak bz INTjs stand up for their beliefs.

I think those people are EIE. This is why EIEs are pure moth-and-the-flame. There is all that charm and humor they have, but they are demanding and domineering in a way that
just irks me. Quite simply, I think EIEs outnumber ESEs to a large degree, and they are therefore confused. I think this is where the problem of ESEs 'disliking weakness' in the theory comes from. I believe this because I have interacted with a number of people who I thought were 'ESE', but then this demanding, materialistic side would show itself, and you show even one sign of weakness to them, and you're 'toast.' And why is this? It's because they value Se. That is at least what I have personally noticed, anyway...

[Static]

The only thing that I really disrespect and peeves me is when someone is being unkind to others.

[K0m0d0]

I'd say that I disrespect weakness when it assumes a position of power and responsibility over others, especially when a show of bravado is used to cover it up. Either that or whenever there's excuses made for it when one is clearly capable of overcoming it.
Otherwise, if the person who bears it can genuinely do no more than stay in their lane (as much as any of us would rather believe in the ability to defy such a thing), then I wouldn't disrespect it per se, so much as feel pity. Of course, that may still be considered a form of disrespect, so I'd either focus on how the person makes up for it, or just avoid commenting on it.

[Poptart]

I'd say that I disrespect weakness when it assumes a position of power and responsibility over others, especially when a show of bravado is used to cover it up.

That’s an interesting point. I’d have to agree.

[RaptorsMavs]

It's always great to be clad in the dimensional perplexing cinema of every feat and ability You wreak or unleash for training Your musical oneness with the heart of will for striking the chlorophyll of odor to dollhouse pages of the suspended rocking chair.

Basically, revamping Your ideas to the most staggering and mouth watering soap operas always let's You exhibit Your relentless beauty without equal. This showcasing of power is what life is all about, faith to conquer the kingdom.