Hi everyone

[Mediator Kam]

Guess I am INFj now. My rationale is reading the EII profile and agreeing with it and reading the functional definitions. Te is a little more iffy. idk

[Lobo]

Guess I am INFj now. My rationale is reading the EII profile and agreeing with it and reading the functional definitions. Te is a little more iffy. idk

Hi, good luck...

[DirectorAbbie]

Welcome to Delta. What did you disagree with about SEI?

[Mediator Kam]

Yes, give me a little time to construct something that makes sense.

[UDP]

please, just don't respond to maritsa about this. do me/us a favor.

[DirectorAbbie]

"Sociotype: LSE|ESTj Enneatype: 8w9 So/Sp"
Wow; are those existant categories?! *hurries to fill them in*

Please, just don't respond to Maritsa about this. Do me/us a favor.

Capitalizations inserted. You should be ashamed of yourself.

[Mediator Kam]

First off, I will be bolding things that are common between EII and SEI, things that I thought were exclusive to SEI.

From the EII domain:

"The happiness of others weighs heavily upon the shoulders of people of this type, a prime concern for certain. Introspective and prone to wild imaginings, they might not always seem like they're "all there" but odds are they are thinking of something interesting."

I fulfill this exactly. I always have the most wild, imaginative things going on in my head. For example, a girl I know has no internet at her house. One of her facebook pictures was her holding her brother, looking like a hippie. I got the craziest idea in my head and I wrote, "I wish the internet was actually a part of your life! Now I imagine you sitting in a 15th century dungeon, dressed like a flower child and holding a small child, quite possibly a relation. Time travel is dangerous. Come back to the 21th century."

I definitely act like I am not fully there at times, and quickly enough, I become very sullen and introspective when a minute before I was running around and yelling about something that made no sense.

"We define ourselves by the way others react to us."

I suffer from this. If someone responds favorably to me, I become happy. If the response is negative, then I become sad. Even if a response was less than what I expected, I can become even sadder on the inside, which I of course hide.

I hate when I feel like I am not being myself but I also am not sure who I am when it's just me. I am crazy and imaginative and even somewhat ambitious when I'm alone. I get a lot done when I'm by myself. But when I am around other people I have such a strong need to adapt to what they need from me and to become the person they need me to be in order to help them reach their fullest potential.

I thought that the bolded meant that I was simply attuned to the emotional dynamic of the group. But I think it is more. I want to be everything and anything so that people will be pleased with me, that I feel that I have made other people happy and overly pleased! I want to see them beam and say to themselves that "He is such a nice guy. I want to make him my best friend in the whole world."


Now to the wikisocion article:

EIIs are very attuned to the psychological atmosphere of interaction and to their own feelings towards people and things. They treasure deep feelings of attachment and strive to deepen emotional bonds between people and harmonize relationships. When those people that the EII is close to suffer emotionally, the EII will do everything in her power to raise the emotional condition in the individual, often at the EII's expense.

I thought harmony and raising a person's emotional state was an Si-Fe concept?

This makes them very sensitive to the moods of people, and they treat them the way they want to be treated, that is, with respect.

That SEI guy in the SEI teaching thread said that he easily senses the moods of others. I also have an easy time doing it. I also follow the concept of treating people the way I would want to be treated. If I had a girlfriend, I wouldn't want single guys hitting on her, which is why I don't flirt with girls who I know are taken.

EIIs understand people very well. They often give good advice, and have a strong understanding of the inner workings of even the most complicated minds. They have well developed ideas concerning ideal emotional states for individuals, and always have advice as to how an individual can reach that ideal.
One of the largest complaints of EIIs revolve around the idea of "wasted potential." A lot of their neuroses, and "drive," come from fears that they are not achieving the maximum possible ideal in a certain field or area of life. Unlike IEEs, though, EIIs consider "leveraging potential" more in terms of depth - mastery of one or several specific areas - rather than breadth.

I love to give advice about everything, especially with interpersonal things. I love trying to piece info together to make something that makes sense. Now this wasted potential thing. I have never thought of that personally, but I can be very perfectionistic when it comes to something I enjoy doing, whatever that may be. However, I want to master everything. So I can teach everything.

EIIs are not easily able to abstract themselves from the human dimension and apply "cold" logic. When they try to do this, they easily become unsure if their reasoning is correct.
EIIs feel that not everything can be classified under the system since everything has its unique individual attributes.

Well yeah, cold logic sucks. But logic is logic, it makes sense. Simple as that. I am never really sure if I am reasoning things correctly, but that is part of being ethical right? You gotta push through.

EIIs are typically negligent of their surroundings and have difficulty keeping track of objects or constantly monitoring things and people around them.
They can be passive and self-absorbed, often preferring to wait for things to happen rather than make them happen. As such, they tend to have quite a number of lost opportunities. To a certain extent, EIIs can be oblivious to hints from someone who is romantically interested in them. Therefore, this gives the other party the wrong impression that they are not interested in them.
Outsiders often think the EII is oblivious to reality because they will often neglect basic needs. Although it is by no means necessary, this may also manifest itself as a general rejection or aversion to violence or force as a means or way of life.

How can someone be negligent of their surroundings? I know where I am, and I know what is happening around me. I definitely let things pass me by. I am a very lazy and laidback person in my personal life. As far as I know, I suck with romance and girls. Nothing ever works out, so that is probably true that I am not good at romance. I want the girl to express her interest anyway.

I am horrible with using force to get anything. I would much more prefer hugs to violence.

EIIs have a great admiration for people who are able to get things done neatly and efficiently in the outside world. They themselves consistently forget to consider whether their activities are actually achieving their intended goal, whether their time spent is bringing worthy proceeds, and whether their activities are organized in the most rational way. They subconsciously expect and appreciate it when others take interest in the effectiveness of their activities and helps to take an objective look at what they are doing.
EIIs are usually very curious and thirsty for information. When they have an interest in a particular topic or subject, they will try their best to read anything and everything about it in order to gain a thorough understanding.
They are willing to listen to anyone who is knowledgeable or has a brilliant idea to share regardless of whether that individual is an expert or authority in his/her field since they strongly believe that there are many perspectives in an issue.

Well, efficiency is what make the world go round right? I guess it's cool. I don't pay any attention to that kind of stuff. Time is of the essense, so I suppose if there is a faster and easier way of doing things, I will do it. Has to be easier.

"EIIs are usually very curious and thirsty for information. When they have an interest in a particular topic or subject, they will try their best to read anything and everything about it in order to gain a thorough understanding.
They are willing to listen to anyone who is knowledgeable or has a brilliant idea to share regardless of whether that individual is an expert or authority in his/her field since they strongly believe that there are many perspectives in an issue"

YES YES YES. All of this. I love to read wikipedia on interesting issues like wars and stuff. And if someone is smart, let's hear them. I wanna learn!

My hands hurt. I am done. Sleepy too.

[Beautiful sky]

we don't like war and reading about it is last on our list; it is an aweful act of people's selfishness.

[Beautiful sky]

Guess I am INFj now. My rationale is reading the EII profile and agreeing with it and reading the functional definitions. Te is a little more iffy. idk

You can't just become a type...or choose one.