How can you tell the difference?Originally Posted by Maritsa33
How can you tell the difference?
If someone stabs your mom, will you forgive them?
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
There would be a period of anger and confusion, but the nature ofis such that it always forgives and learns to see from the other person's shoes and that is something that can not be fixed. That is empathetic/unconditional nature of that function.
Last edited by Beautiful sky; 03-31-2010 at 07:08 PM.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Thatīs interesting I didnīt know that Deltas had this problem of feeling chronically empty and I had it since like 10 years old.
Since then, I fill this listening to music, being more empathetic towards other people in general or at least trying so, being in nature alone calm with fresh air and also physical activity - anything that makes me sweat makes me feel good and not so empty afterwards.
But I see emptiness as intrinsic to life, life has no meaning of its own, this is emptiness and it can be very bad to notice this. But thereīs also a certain freedom that comes with this lack of meaning or direction.
When Iīm not mentally well I fill this with wild 12-hour parties with lots of alcohol (and it used to be xtc), compulsion for food and especially lots of perverted, wild, uncompromised sex usually accompanied by alcohol - this last one is probably an ESTJ thing. When I have a girlfriend I usually end up making her into a lovely sexual object to fill my emptiness. I like to have sex in public places, tell them to go out with me without panties and bras and all sorts of perverted attitudes which I am only telling here because no one knows me anyway.
The bold sounds a lot like the lifestyle of the ISTp I partially dualized with (dont know about all the details such as what you wrote next though). I think it's definitely the Si way to fill emptiness.
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
Always is a strong wordThere would be a period of anger and confusion, but the nature of
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
Workaholics:
Where does Si come in with ISTPs? Isnīt it a shadow function of this type?
As far as I know theyīre : 1-Ti 2-Se ...
Interestingly my two closest friends in my xtc-rave-party-days were probably ISTPs, but they are very different... both worked for big software companies, computer geniuses types, and from friday night to sunday evening they kind of transformed into wild animals who took lots of xtc pills. I could never manage to do that. As soon as I started my university course I quit taking xtc and stopped going to those crazy parties - which I doubt was a good idea though because it was lots of fun but anyway I cannot reconcile a normal life with a carreer and a crazy drugged alcoholic weekend.
But they could lead that crazy lifestyle of a sober 9 to 5 (in their case 9 to 7) job at a big company earning very good money with that lack of responsibility in the weekend. I wouldnīt. Most of the weeks I couldnīt get myself out of my bed until wednesday after the weekend. But they were there, like nothing had happened, phoning me on mondays to talk about something and laugh.
uh-oh, UH-OH!! time for you to switch definitively from MBTI to socionics!!
BLASPHEMY! Ti Se is my conflictor!!It's ISTj in socionics.
The ISTPs you know are probably not socionics ISTp's. MBTI type does not translate to socionics (it may coincidentally, but that would just be coincidence). Though I have to say he partied hard but didn't really suffer for it (or so it seemed). . .I dont think he took any hard drugs, he just drinks a lot.
The ISTp (SLI) that I knew probably is an MBTI ESTP.
Anyway so, socionics ISTp is Si Te. Si is their most FAVORITE function
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
binge eating
ALWAYS ALWAYS!
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
ISTps are so fun, aren't they?I mean, I'm not into drugs or anything, but going out and letting off some steam is always a good idea in my mind.
Hi! I'm an ENFP. :-)
They are, but unfortunately this guy hung out with a separate circle of friends that I didn't hang out with nor ever got invited to hang out with, so I wouldn't know from personal experience. Was a little jealous of his fun though, but i guess I wouldn't really be able to handle that much fun anyway.ISTps are so fun, aren't they?
And yes that's exactly what he called it. . .he said it's his release. . .which I dont necessarily understand, because aren't there other better ways besides getting wasted?
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
Ok, what if you feel like being more intimate with somebody, and said friend doesn't feel the same way? What if said friend just tells you to "deal with it" when you tell said friend that it's hard not to feel that way, and the only way you can think of to deal with the situation is by not remaining in contact?
Uhmm... so yeah, if someone stabs my mom I won't forgive them.
I would be honest and tell that person that I do not have such feelings of intimacy for them, if I did not feel them. Honesty is always best.Ok, what if you feel like being more intimate with somebody, and said friend doesn't feel the same way? What if said friend just tells you to "deal with it" when you tell said friend that it's hard not to feel that way, and the only way you can think of to deal with the situation is by not remaining in contact?
Uhmm... so yeah, if someone stabs my mom I won't forgive them.
To "deal with it"? What?
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Yeah, you were honest with the person about wanting more intimacy, but said person doesn't feel that way about you, and when you tell them that you're going to avoid them because it seems like the only solution, said person doesn't want to stop being your friend so you get the "just deal with it." Ahem... obviously all this hypothetical.
Ah thatīs interesting Workaholics. Definitely I have to stop reading descriptions of MBTI because it seems to be very different from Socionics.
Well to answer the question more properly, when in a healthy level, a cause would be what best fills the emptiness of life for me personally, whether it be being very good at my job, making lots of money, helping others in some way, or anything which calls for a high degree of devotion to it.
Getting wasted for me is past. Yes it was fun. The two guys I mentioned are probably ISTPs.
I learned how to type a person very quickly from a friend who btw introduced me to this forum but heīs not participating here anymore.
I go by the letters. I or E ? (meaning that I is not always socially introvert it has more to do with the flow of energy, whether the individual expands his energy to the environment or concentrates it in himself). Then, S or N? S types are often more physically connected, more connected to their bodies, but there are other criteria I learnt. Then F or T which I find fairly easy to distinguish (the easiest). And then J or P which I find the hardest according to whether the individual uses more his perceiving or judging function, almost always that means that the individual shows more of that function when relating to others and the world.
So I got I-S-T-P for both of them, although yes one could be ESTP and the other ISTJ. But I doubt an ISTJ would have a 1200cc motorcycle which is now his hobbie after the xtc-rave-party-era to run like a maniac on weekends. This type of irresponsible behavior is more consistent with SP types in my opinion, as they overlook their Thinking which would give them some break and become too intense focusing on their Sensing.
BTW Workaholics I liked your expression 'almost dualized with'.
Maritsa would you 'dualize' with me? :wink:
Yes, I WOULD!!!
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
she's easy.Yes, I WOULD!!!
That's not a nice thing to say, you can't read into my intentions.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Still debating about whether or not I'm a delta but thought I'd chime in. What pulls me out of it is time with family or friends as much as I'll try to resist this at times. When I know someone is going to visit or I have a social engagement I'll often find myself dreading it at first like is an imposition but once the event gets started I'll find myself enjoying it. Last week I forced myself to get out and meet with my games group. Turns out I had a blast and alot of much needed laughter.
LII-Ne with strong EII tendencies, 6w7-9w1-3w4 so/sp/sx, INxP
Socionics ISTp's or MBTI ISTP's?
My typing skills are getting better but i can't say i'm an expert, however, your typing method still seems rooted in MBTI. In socionics, type depends on the order of the functions. So in determining introversion vs extraversion you have to see which function someone uses the most, though that can be tricky because you can't always "see" a primary introverted function, so you end up seeing the creative extraverted function. But I guess the distinction would be whether the person uses the extraverted function in service to some other function or whether the extraverted function is the dominant one.
For example, SLI "almost dualized" guy vs an LSE boss I had a few years ago
Si Te versus Te Si:
SLI guy at work was very hardworking, organized, practical, great at presenting information, and detailed despite being quick.. However, he did all this with a primary objective of getting done with work and going out and having a good time (
LSE boss was also very hardworking, organized, practical, excellent speaker, very prolific in his work.
That is pretty much how I can be sure of their types. Obviously I need to know someone relatively well and have enough clues about them to type this way. None of that N vs S, T vs F business. Te is different from Ti. Se can look like Te, Ni is different from Ne, Si is way WAY different from Se.
HOWEVER, that said. . . I do think there are certain VI clues in which you can make some such comparisons (not quite sure yet in my own experience):
S types tend to carry their bodies well. They are never clumsy.
N types tend to have trouble knowing their body positioning in space. They tend to have clumsy moments, fumble, often end up carrying too much, or in some precarious way, drop things. (I'm describing myself btw). Gait & sitting position can be a little awkward, but not necessarily. (what I can say is if I see someone walking awkwardly, I know that person is not an S-type).
E vs I, sometimes you can tell by looking at their eyes. Do the eyes pop out at you? if so likely extravert. If the eyes look involuted, sort of dreamy (for lack of a better descriptor), likely intravert.
Fe vs Fi, you can sometimes tell by the gaze as well. In the view of an Fi-valuing person, Fe eyes look empty in comparison to Fi eyes which seem full of feeling.
p vs j. . .i'm not sure how to differentiate those. . .basically I say figure out the first 2 functions and then you can see whether it's a p-type or a j-type.
Oh the other thing that helps me type is trying to figure out a person's hidden agenda.:[/QUOTE]
Well what I was referring to is a long story that I'm sure people here are TIRED of me repeating over and over. I happened to read your story as well, with the EII girl at your university. Well to make a long story short, pretty much the same thing happened between me and this SLI guy. I believe it was duality and dualization. Unfortunately I had to relocate to a different city right in the middle of things. And to make things even worse, he got himself a girlfriend like 2 months after I moved away, some girl (possible SLE from the few clues I gathered) whom he met at work just a couple weeks before he made the relationship public.
Dualization with your dual is a phenomenon, but if it cant materialize it's a source of immense sorrow and emptiness.
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
This is one of those unrequited love cases where I'm having a hard time separating testosterone to actually feeling love. Now that you put it that way, nah, this isn't much worth it. The problem I have though is how can you still be friends once it gets to that point? It seems masochistic to just keep interacting and having these feelings come up again, leading to pain and frustration.I thought your feelings might stem from the area of love somehow. A younger me would have said just move on but an older me knows better and some things are worth fighting for. How much do you love this person? Do you think they love you? Do you love them so much it is beyond words. Is the person your soul mate? Is there any chance they feel that you are their soul mate in return? If so tell them these things that are going on inside you. Tell them how much you love them. Then read the situation. Maybe hearing these things from you will be enough for them to want you, maybe they just aren't ever going to be yours but maybe also they need time out/away from you for a bit to grow and experience life and hopefully to realize just how much they do love you.
The older me recommends leaving the door open
Sorry I just had a chance to view it. I liked it as well.I thought this was a nice video about unrequited love
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_3D_6HLn34]YouTube - Aragorn/Éowyn - Unrequited Love
It seems to be, in particular, Fi-valuing and Fe-disvaluing unrequited love, no?
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
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