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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I have had similar thoughts. Basically, most things that threaten her (particularly by people that she doesn't recognize as her dual or even activity partner) seems to be interpreted by her as Se.
I do think that some Se has been used against her, but not as much as she's claiming. Perhaps the first hint of it is enough to make her collapse upon herself, causing her to reject even that which isn't Se? And since ENFps' role is Se, it makes sense that it'd end up sprinkled in amongst their posts, particularly when they get frustrated.
Oh, to find you in dreams - mixing prior, analog, and never-beens... facts slip and turn and change with little lucidity. except the strong, permeating reality of emotion.
INFj's first use restaint of all of our crude and barbaric and archaic emotions, we feel that we are far to evolved and advanced for such displays of outright rudeness towards people and that everyone should try to evolve this way.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
You do not come across kind to us at all. The opposite in fact. It is proof, your lack of intuition, understanding, kind-heartedness and openness that proves you are not INFj. This perfect INFj you have imagined in your head is not real, they have flaws like everyone.
Your pushy, arrogance, all-mighty attitude are not of an INFj.
Hakuna Matata
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
My mum is the least rude person i have met in my whole life, but your right up there with the worst of them im affraid. im sorry you live in a different world to us it seems. our thoughts and differences are to vast.
I have never claimed to be INFj. I am not as kind, patient or loving as Suzzy.
Hakuna Matata
Maritsa projects a lot too, I've noticed.
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
I think the part about how he interpreted Ne came from one of the Gulenko erotic roles articles, though it seems that he misunderstood what Gulenko meant.
The neediness Gulenko is referring to is related to a need, of the Ne, to have their Si needs considered and taken care of, which has nothing to do with what he thinks Si is
The demanding nature I see in Maritsa is more along the lines of wanting someone to enforce logical consistency. JuJu (self typed EIE) even talked about how he has a need for this type of systematic consistency too
EII INFj
Forum status: retired
Seriously, guys, she's INFj. Yes, she's the same type as you and you don't like her. Shock and awe. I probably wouldn't have been besties with Kurt Cobain. There's even an IEI that I go to school with that I think is kind of a douche/annoying. Whatever. Get over it. Actually, this is kinda turned into a bit of a delta aristocratic bitch-fest against Maritsa, like she's being kicked out of the club for not playing nice-nice in the preferred ways. Like, seriously, the argument consists of: "I'm kicking you out of the club; you're not nice!" "No, you're not nice!" "Nuh-uh, you're not nice!" Another reason I'm not delta. *sigh*. We betas kick people out of the club 'cause they're stupid, not 'cause they're not nice.
hahahahahahaha. I take it back. Please be a beta. That was funny.
Not a rule, just a trend.
IEI. Probably Fe subtype. Pretty sure I'm E4, sexual instinctual type, fairly confident that I'm a 3 wing now, so: IEI-Fe E4w3 sx/so. Considering 3w4 now, but pretty sure that 4 fits the best.
Yes 'a ma'am that's pretty music...
I am grateful for the mystery of the soul, because without it, there could be no contemplation, except of the mysteries of divinity, which are far more dangerous to get wrong.
I don't not like her, I just think she's found a niche to be fanatical about, and socionics is pretty good for that.
I personally think she's ISFj for reasons i've stated...maybe it was on this thread. That she's a bit scatty doesn't necessarily = Ne, but I could be wrong. I agree Fi base for sure.
Amusingly perhaps, she seems to accuse people of things she does herself all the time. It's sort of cute, but could be dead tiring irl if she didn't listen like she don't here, not that I am anything perfect myself, lol.hahahahahahaha. I take it back. Please be a beta. That was funny.
Wait, you are...? Well, then, you're going to have to start critizing Maritsa for her illogical conclusions, rather than for not being nice. We don't care whether or not people are nice in beta. We can't; we have to hang out with Beta STs. Kidding.
Okay, sorry, that is a good point. She could very well be ISFj, actually. I don't have an opinion either way. But people claiming she's beta... honestly, I just find that ridiculous.I personally think she's ISFj for reasons i've stated...maybe it was on this thread. That she's a bit scatty doesn't necessarily = Ne, but I could be wrong. I agree Fi base for sure.
Not a rule, just a trend.
IEI. Probably Fe subtype. Pretty sure I'm E4, sexual instinctual type, fairly confident that I'm a 3 wing now, so: IEI-Fe E4w3 sx/so. Considering 3w4 now, but pretty sure that 4 fits the best.
Yes 'a ma'am that's pretty music...
I am grateful for the mystery of the soul, because without it, there could be no contemplation, except of the mysteries of divinity, which are far more dangerous to get wrong.
I have been thinking today that she is ISFj, cause she cares way to much about integrity and all that jazz, which is souly ISFj and other reasons, but im to tired to state them and make a proper sentence out of it
Well it's either IEI or IEE (and if not EIE), mmm either 3 options are a possibility. But i'm leaning towards IEI (usually do)
I know im Enneagram 4w5, extra intuition (of which kind ???)- sexual subtype yada yada ya
Oh, and i thought i was pretty intuitive with my view point, they weren't mainly on "your a meanie poo" "No you are"... they were (i think) rather good reasoning and logic
Hakuna Matata
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
I actually agree with ESI for her, after reading cyclops' reasoning for it and silverchris' reasoning as to why she can't be IEI. And that would also fit with her having many SEE friends as she frequently stated before, and constantly seeing SEE in people. (I know a bunch of SEEs from work and though I'm on good terms with them, they are not usually people I feel too close with in a friendship sense, to contrast).
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
yes, that's true
After being mistyped by Rick; I went online and searched for russian sources of Socionics and came accrosss a university professor who did VI; I sent her my pictures without any words about myself; she came back with INFj and then sent my pictures to Rod Novichkov and he typed the same, then sent another set to another Russian source, this person's name was Olga, and she came back with the same typing; ever since, I have established a little rule for myself, that if I am not 100% sure about a type, I won't type, I will offer my opinion and send the pictures to my sources who come back with their typing. If all three sources match, sometimes four, then we know the person's type to be relatively accurate, if not, then we go to questionings.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I see that, but her reactions don't make any sense to me, especially for being a rational type. If you read 9w1 in enneagram, that description only references to an avoidant personality; INFj's don't do that, it seems like something closer to ISFp or INFp maybe
I am very sure she may actually be INFp
What makes you think she's INFj, because she is avoidant, there's nothing or no where in socionics that says that INFj's are avoidant, but a lot about INFp's being that way.
Last edited by Beautiful sky; 03-24-2010 at 05:57 PM.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
And, how does she use Ne, she hasn't really shown any examples, I would have recognized it and once, I believe, she felt bad and was reaching for emotional comfort, I as an INFj wouldn't really request for that. You can usually tell by my external mood that I am "down", but, since your are not physically here to see me cry, then you won't know over the net; I will not likely write to solicity for emotional comfort, I like physical comfort.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
ENFp
I ruled INFp out, for her, my concern is her concern with Se
"I have had similar thoughts. Basically, most things that threaten her[maritsa] (particularly by people that she doesn't recognize as her dual or even activity partner) seems to be interpreted by her as Se.
This is Ne...
I do think that some Se has been used against her, but not as much as she's claiming. Perhaps the first hint of it is enough to make her collapse upon herself,
This is trying to make sense with logic..weak Te or Ti here...
causing her to reject even that which isn't Se?
This is what makes me consider ENFp for her...
And since ENFps' role is Se, it makes sense that it'd end up sprinkled in amongst their posts, particularly when they get frustrated."
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Not that it really matters at this point, in terms of keeping this thread "clean" (once again, sorry, Sasha!), but here's a typing thread I made for myself eons ago.
Also, for anyone who is unaware and might find this feature useful, you can quote a post from one thread into another by clicking the "Multi-quote" button (which looks like this ) and then just going over to the other/new thread and hitting "Post Reply", which will automatically paste the post you wanted quoted into that other thread. You can actually do that to several posts at once, pasting them into one reply. Another, slightly slower way, is to quote a post and then just copy/paste the quoted post text into the reply to the other thread. That can be useful if you see someone say something that is relevant to their type but want to keep things clean and organized by keeping most conversation regarding a person's type in their typing thread.
EDIT: I was mistaken. You can only use the multi-quote in the same thread, but if you post a reply you can still copy/paste the multiple quotes to the new thread. It isn't really that big a deal, I guess, but I want to be accurate.
Last edited by Minde; 03-24-2010 at 08:33 PM. Reason: Got my details wrong!
Oh, to find you in dreams - mixing prior, analog, and never-beens... facts slip and turn and change with little lucidity. except the strong, permeating reality of emotion.
Well I guess I've missed most of the action here, but in response to the OP I'll just add my $0.02.........
Yeah, I do tend to be a bit clumsy and oblivious to physical reality sometimes (excellent when working on creative stuff, not so cool when driving in heavy traffic, for example.)
I am notorious for walking into things, banging my head, stubbing my toe, whacking my elbow on doorframes etc.
Originally Posted by silverchris9
Interesting.
I simply cannot tolerate anyone telling me what to do, unless I have specifically asked for their advice, or unless I consider them to be a trusted expert. Usually I have little regard for self-appointed "authorities", and must do everything my own way or not at all, and I can be pretty darn stubborn about it, usually in a kind of passive-aggressive way.
However, if I have no choice in the matter (for eg. my boss bluntly ordering me to do something whether I like it or not) I will usually do it for the sake of temporarily keeping the peace, but underneath my controlled exterior I'll be boiling with resentment, and probably fantasizing about walking out of the job.
So anyway, take from that what you will.
*We now return you to your normal programming of Maritsa-bashing... *
Last edited by Shagbag The Wizard; 03-28-2010 at 07:09 AM.
EII - Ne
5w6 sp/so/sx
Personally speaking, I'm rather oblivious at recognising the "force" of individuals, their power plays and so on. I'm far more likely to notice when an atmosphere is uneasy, by the subtleties of a person's demeanour perhaps: it is not so much that I look to see if everything is satisfactory, but more that I notice when something is "not quite right", not quite as it has been in the past. If a person is loud and disruptive, then I certainly tend to pick up on that: but if someone is merely trying to make a "presence", that is typically completely ignored by me.
I believe this is too limited of a description to be considered . It could be , , , etc. or a slight variation of something you have seen.
I agree with this somewhat, although less certain about the "directly" description. (it may vary from individual to individual). Usually, if someone spends time with me, and I spend time with them, I taken it as a given that we like each other. It would not really occur to me that it was otherwise, unless I had strong reasons to think the activity was an obligation. In terms of romantic interest, I personally would find it even more difficult to "know": it would have to go far beyond an usual declaration of friendship, and would perhaps have to be explicitly be said.
This feels rather alien to me. I value very much, and while I may not be strong at it, I still have strong ideals on aesthetics. I might not always maintain high standards (on a day-to-day basis), but I manage by having a certain core set of aesthetics that I try to keep as a minimum. This means I keep my cool and always have something to refer to. I do not simply allow my ideals to suddenly go out of the window one day, or have a breakdown because I cannot tell which things go together. In the long term, this means having a bare minimum standard, and for example, having a few favourite colours and combinations of colours, and a certain Design for Living. This generally means if something wears down, or becomes untidy, or generally "disharmonious", I simply replace it. It also means that I am constantly keeping an eye out to make slight improvements to my "system". I should also say, if I am uncertain about a "new" decision that needs to be made in that area, I generally go on the side of caution if it is an important decision (which may mean not making an active decision at all), or perhaps, if it is of less importance, I try something a little different. It would not do me to be have any sudden unpleasant surprises, so it is something I am keen to always keep in mind and improve.
Improving your happiness and changing your personality for the better
Jungian theory is not grounded in empirical data (pdf file)
The case against type dynamics (pdf file)
Cautionary comments regarding the MBTI (pdf file)
Reinterpreting the MBTI via the five-factor model (pdf file)
Do the Big Five personality traits interact to predict life outcomes? (pdf file)
The Big Five personality test outperformed the Jungian and Enneagram test in predicting life outcomes
Evidence of correlations between human partners based on systematic reviews and meta-analyses of traits
True. Her way of insisting on people having to believe her immediately and insisting on it sounds SEI to me