That's so romantic. So when you read about the duality did things just make sense? Or, what did you think of it all?Originally Posted by Mariella
That's so romantic. So when you read about the duality did things just make sense? Or, what did you think of it all?
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
The biggest problem with Socionics is how easy it is to mistype ourselves or others. So I don't think there's any consistency like that. I'm just not surprised that he and she communicate well. It isn't a statement about you and him or her as I have no expectations of consistency.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
I knew he and I got along oddly well, and that our relationship was much easier than most of the relationships of other people I know. Someone emailed me an MBTI test, and I thought maybe the personality tests would explain why we got along so well, but the MBTI site said that ENFPs get along best with INFPs, and that he and I shouldn't get along well. Which seemed obviously wrong, so I googled ENFP ISTP relationship or something like that and stumbled upon this site.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
I agree with this wholeheartedly. I think the reason might be that the definitions of functions are not completely straightforward because they encompass so many aspects of behavior and there can be so many nuances in peoples' behavior. Also I think there's been some loss of meaning in translation from Russian (i.e. even if the words/phrases are translated well, the cultural meaning is often different in English).
The other problem is that individuals like Maritsa go around thoroughly confusing people.
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
Hehe, you can be in my quadra
But yeah agreed. there would be difference of understanding and all being translated.
Hakuna Matata
Mariella is ENFp....I can feel it; I havn't confused her at ALL; you however, are not. Her writing does not pressure my Se porl; you can't feel it because you're not in my shoes.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
...from what I've been able to observe, they haven't communicated at all... And from what he's commented about her, it's been far from flattering... Where exactly are you getting that he communicates well with her?
Oh, to find you in dreams - mixing prior, analog, and never-beens... facts slip and turn and change with little lucidity. except the strong, permeating reality of emotion.
"communicate well" doesn't mean "get along".
I also completely disagree with what he said about Ne meaning demanding like a baby.
He seems to feel like he has great understanding of her or something. It's an impression and maybe I was wrong about that. I'm not that emotionally invested in it and don't want to argue about it.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
There is consistancy in VI, but the problem is that people don't group in appropriate spots after being typed to observe each other's connections, they hop on a spot that is not their VI type, mostly because they want to be another type, and so that causes a lot of problems in identifying who is who and what they said about what.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
So does this mean you've hopped on a spot that is not your own? I agree with you on that.
Hakuna Matata
I think of all the bad ways to type, VI is one of the worse.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
Please take your volitional pressure refered to as SeSo does this mean you've hopped on a spot that is not your own? I agree with you on that.to the gamma quad thanks. I have alreasy typed you as ESFp and that kinda looks like what workaholicanon is doing right now...good luck with you.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
well you COULD think of it that way, if you're stubbornly set on your VI method. . .
. . .OR you could be more open-minded about it and say people group themselves appropriately and your VI is inaccurate (which is probably the more likely case).
Your way is like fabricating scientific data to make it fit your hypothesis. Nature is nature. Science (i.e. socionics) attempts to describe nature (i.e. behavior), but if the description (i.e. your vi method) does not work, you're not allowed to FORCE your data to fit it. That's called scientific misconduct.
Can't force a round peg into an oval hole, Maritsa, no matter how much you want to see your way be correct.
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
I agree with that.
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
WAAAA-WAAAAA!! the baby is crying. . .Please take your volitional pressure refered to as Se
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
YOU maybe have typed me as ESFp but that is very wrong.Please take your volitional pressure refered to as Se
Hakuna Matata
Or you can learn to look at your posts and see this
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
ENFp don't do that...but ESFP's like you do. It is individuals like you who clutter threads because you make inappropriate and out of place insinuating comments. The real problem is with me, I can't ignor people, because of the value I see in them...you are really mean for not comprehending that about me and backing off.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
that's because you've stressed me out and annoyed me enough that i'm using my Se-role on you. I'm also using plenty of Ne that you obviously dont enjoy.
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
uh-huh, that's convincing. . .
didn't you go on and on before about how sweet and kind and beautiful ESFp's are? where is your consistency?
what you say seems to be a matter of convenience to you.
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
too much Ne for you? I see right through you.Or you can learn to look at your posts and see this
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
That's actually an interesting socionic point. A certain ENFp that I know, when things aren't quite going the way she wants will often switch to "I'll just make it happen" mode. Which she's a lot better at than I am, btw.
Oh, to find you in dreams - mixing prior, analog, and never-beens... facts slip and turn and change with little lucidity. except the strong, permeating reality of emotion.
You see what happends with ESFp's again like I pointed out before; ever time there is a fight they gang up on one person...that's your irrational kinda
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
No you are not; you are using
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
This is the kind of comment that is refered to as Volitional pressure Se (USED BY ESFP-LIKE YOU AND ESTP), and the kind of comment where I would ask you to please LEAVE ME ALONE.
You don't know when to back off, you twisted individual.
DO YOU SEE THAT
VIXENDOGFOX:
"Actually, it pains me to admit this but I'm sorry, you're right that you didn't say it. I just reviewed the post and it was somebody else! Whoops..."
AND THAT IS WHY I AM AN HONEST PERSON...BECAUSE IT'S POINTLESS TO LIE, CHEAT, STEAL, AND INSINUATE COMMENTS LIKE THE KIND YOU MAKE WITHOUT VALID AND HONEST REMARKS.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Sarahcoles
Workaholicanon
Suzzy
All three of you are ESFp
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I think you should admit you are "sensing it" rather than "feeling it"No you are not; you are using
As for ESFp's ganging up on you... PERHAPS that is actually the true DELTA quadra!
Hakuna Matata
Your comment again is Se
Using what I use to pressure me into an inferior spot. That is called volitional pressure;
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
you can keep repeating that as much as you like, it won't make it the reality.Sarahcoles
Workaholicanon
Suzzy
All three of you are ESFp
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
i.e. we all have to agree with her. . .otherwise it's Se
that's a little dogmatic dont you think? are we in an intellectual dictatorship here?
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
Absolutely true. Couldnt have said it better myself.
Hakuna Matata
Why don't the three of you go form another delta quad just for yourselves?
That way I can have productive conversations with my dual and with the other two IEE on this site...that would be very pleasing for me.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
To me, it comes off as though she's put herself in this ""spot" all by herself, we just pointed it out to her.
Hakuna Matata
I've come to a realization:
what Maritsa feels as Se directed at her, is not necessarily people actually using Se at her. It's Maritsa's Se-POLR feeling threatened by what she is told (generated from others' primary functions, be it Ne, Fe, Se, Ti, Te, what have you) and her being unable to substantiate herself.
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
Why don't the three of you go form another delta quad just for yourselves?
That way I can have productive conversations with my dual and with the other two IEE on this site...that would be very pleasing for me.
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Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
No thanks, i fit in excellently with everyone in this delta quadra. You can fool yourself all you want that you fit in with us deltas.
the conversations here turned unproductive when you showed up maritsa.
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
I am sorry, but I don't "flip" people off...not as an INFj; I see that behavior as very rude.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Makes her by default ENFj or ESFj, i'd vote ESFj outa those two
Hakuna Matata
Ok, so trying to stay on topic here... *ahem*. Something that really bothers me is people who abuse of their position to treat people disrespectfully... Abuse of power is one of the things I get passionate against.
Um, you have pushed and pushed and pushed and pushed people Maritsa, we ARE fed up with it. Being Flipped off :grr: is one of the consequences you will have to deal with, whatever personality people are
Hakuna Matata
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