Dual-seeking Behaviors, organized

[jewels]

For ENFp, asking a lot of Te kinds of questions. "I wonder what city we're driving through now." "How much air can you put in your tires without them exploding?" "What does that road sign mean?" Or "How do those walk-in tax places work? I wonder if it's a good idea to go there or if it's a scam."

Or Si, acting kind of whiny or complaining a bit. "I'm getting so tired." Or "I think my stomach is growling." Or "hug me!!"

[matilda]

Se: when they are so sure, so convinced about things. when they stick to their guns. when they are certain they are right (even if they're not). when they are resolute. I admire + kinda leech this attitude off of them

Ti: when they explain things. when they make associations, simplifying an idea to a form that my brain can digest.

[silverchris9]

IEIs seek Se by asking for instruction and picking fights (with people we know won't hurt us too badly). IEIs also seek Se by going to places where there will be a lot of stimulation and a lot of clear cut orders/decisions which we know we can carry out and thereby be useful.
SLEs seek Ni by reading stories, going to movies, pursuing overarching religious, cultural, and even political narratives, seeking sublimity. Every SLE I know loves overarching narratives and sublimities, be they in music or in religion or in literature or in other art. SLEs like to be persuaded or convinced, precisely because they are so hard to persuade and/or convince.

[Suz]

For ENFp, asking a lot of Te kinds of questions. "I wonder what city we're driving through now." "How much air can you put in your tires without them exploding?" "What does that road sign mean?" Or "How do those walk-in tax places work? I wonder if it's a good idea to go there or if it's a scam."

Or Si, acting kind of whiny or complaining a bit. "I'm getting so tired." Or "I think my stomach is growling." Or "hug me!!"

Really?? I thought that was more Si ego -like. My impression is that Ne types dont notice such things quite as well. e.g. If i'm tired or hungry, i'll get irritable or my thinking goes haywire and i'll get frustrated with what i'm doing or with someone I'm talking to before I actually notice that what i really need to do is sleep or eat.

The Te part i do agree with--I'm a googler for all sorts of random questions! And I wonder the same things about the tax places

[Brilliand]

Really?? I thought that was more Si ego -like. My impression is that Ne types dont notice such things quite as well. e.g. If i'm tired or hungry, i'll get irritable or my thinking goes haywire and i'll get frustrated with what i'm doing or with someone I'm talking to before I actually notice that what i really need to do is sleep or eat.

I recall realizing a while back that when I think of myself as ILI, it's because I'm depressed, and when I'm depressed, it's because I'm hungry.

On that note, I just remembered that I've been hungry for about half an hour, and should really go eat something now.

[silverchris9]

LIIs seek Fe by responding favorably and excitedly to emotional energy; laughing at people's jokes, prompting people to tell stories and talk about themselves.
LSIs seek Fe by doing or saying something provocative in the hopes of receiving an emotional response (SLEs do this too, but LSIs are more deliberate about it).
ESEs, as we see, seek Ti by asking for concise explanations, offering information which they hope will be categorized and ordered for them.
EIEs seek Ti by looking for clear-cut rules on how to do x, or how to do y (understanding a process). My EIE friend, for instance, is a director, and he loves his Ti rule about making clumps on stage, which is that the difference between a clump and a line on stage is that in a line, shoulders are uniform and level (on at least one plane), and in a clump, shoulders are non-uniform and random in how one person's shoulder will be in front of another's. How do you make a clump? You move people's shoulders around so that it's random how one persons's shoulder is in front of another's.

ILIs seek Se by asking for displays of capability, I think. I really don't know much about gammas, I'm realizing.

[Amber]

LIIs seek Fe by responding favorably and excitedly to emotional energy; laughing at people's jokes, prompting people to tell stories and talk about themselves.
LSIs seek Fe by doing or saying something provocative in the hopes of receiving an emotional response (SLEs do this too, but LSIs are more deliberate about it).
ESEs, as we see, seek Ti by asking for concise explanations, offering information which they hope will be categorized and ordered for them.
EIEs seek Ti by looking for clear-cut rules on how to do x, or how to do y (understanding a process). My EIE friend, for instance, is a director, and he loves his Ti rule about making clumps on stage, which is that the difference between a clump and a line on stage is that in a line, shoulders are uniform and level (on at least one plane), and in a clump, shoulders are non-uniform and random in how one person's shoulder will be in front of another's. How do you make a clump? You move people's shoulders around so that it's random how one persons's shoulder is in front of another's.

ILIs seek Se by asking for displays of capability, I think. I really don't know much about gammas, I'm realizing.

ILIs seek Se by being stubborn and level-headed about their ideas and not budging unless someone makes some 'display of force'. Via pure logic they can go on without being convinced to shift their arguments or their position.

I agree with LSI. LIIs usually make random and over-the-top imaginative jokes to reach the positive emotional energy they're looking for which can actually piss people off if they're not Alphas.

[jewels]

Really?? I thought that was more Si ego -like. My impression is that Ne types dont notice such things quite as well. e.g. If i'm tired or hungry, i'll get irritable or my thinking goes haywire and i'll get frustrated with what i'm doing or with someone I'm talking to before I actually notice that what i really need to do is sleep or eat.

The Te part i do agree with--I'm a googler for all sorts of random questions! And I wonder the same things about the tax places

yeah, I had to learn to do the Si stuff myself from living alone for so many years. So now I notice if I feel frustrated w/ tasks, etc., I ask myself "am I hungry?" And then I eat. I really had to force myself to do it, but I'd realize I wasn't getting things done otherwise. Sometimes I will notice I need something, but blow it off because I'm lazy though. Especially drinking water. I'll be thirsty for hours w/o getting water, etc.

My ISTp ex doesn't always notice his own Si stuff. Often he'll get grumpy for a half hour before noticing he's hungry (and I tell him he is, and he ingores me, and then eats half of my food and then realizes). He is much more concerned w/ physical comfort like a soft bed, where as I don't care how soft/hard my bed is. I also will sit in weird postures for too long until limbs go numb, and he'd obsessed w/ his chair being perfect.

It's funny how we're not always perfect at even our ego block functions. The same way I can make a dumb decision about my future, despite knowing the possible Ne outcome.

[717495]

ILIs seek Se by asking for displays of capability, I think. I really don't know much about gammas, I'm realizing.

So Se types are the most capable of things?

[silverchris9]

So Se types are the most capable of things?

Well, not everything, but, for instance, my ILI friend said she wanted to see my little brother (SEE) drive, because she knew he'd be good at it (and he is, and better than me grumble grumble grumble).

[Brilliand]

Well, not everything, but, for instance, my ILI friend said she wanted to see my little brother (SEE) drive, because she knew he'd be good at it (and he is, and better than me grumble grumble grumble).

That's specifically a physical-action capability...

[silverchris9]

That's specifically a physical-action capability...

Yes... I'm sure there are others... generally Se is associated with capacity for achievement, success, getting one's way, achieving one's desire, etc. Thus the idea that ILIs dual-seek by asking for displays of capability. But I'm not nearly as confident about the ILI example as the others. Also, I think Se-leading types would be the most likely to want to constantly show their capability, do feats, etc. None of the Se-leading people I know are particularly humble, or at least, are particularly humble naturally (obviously any type can learn and manifest humility), and some of them are rather show-offs (like my little brother). So not just "physical-action capability". Granted, it's not likely to be some display of great prowess in solving a math problem, since SEEs are Ti-polr and ILIs are Te-creative, but I don't think it necessarily has to be physical in nature. It could be, "watch while I walk up to this waiter and smooth talk/pressure my way into getting us a great table." (not that an ILI would care especially much about something like that, but that's an example of a category of action that could be associated with an SEE demonstrating non-physical prowess).

[Suz]

yeah, I had to learn to do the Si stuff myself from living alone for so many years. So now I notice if I feel frustrated w/ tasks, etc., I ask myself "am I hungry?" And then I eat. I really had to force myself to do it, but I'd realize I wasn't getting things done otherwise. Sometimes I will notice I need something, but blow it off because I'm lazy though. Especially drinking water. I'll be thirsty for hours w/o getting water, etc.

My ISTp ex doesn't always notice his own Si stuff. Often he'll get grumpy for a half hour before noticing he's hungry (and I tell him he is, and he ingores me, and then eats half of my food and then realizes). He is much more concerned w/ physical comfort like a soft bed, where as I don't care how soft/hard my bed is. I also will sit in weird postures for too long until limbs go numb, and he'd obsessed w/ his chair being perfect.

It's funny how we're not always perfect at even our ego block functions. The same way I can make a dumb decision about my future, despite knowing the possible Ne outcome.

you broke up with him??? :frown: I'm so sorry to hear that. . .

Yeah i'm exactly the same way with eating and thirst as you described above (including the lazy part ).

Maybe Si-DS manifests in various sorts of ways because I am extremely picky about my sleeping comforts--I can only sleep well in my own bed, with the fan on to drown out sudden noises, at a comfy temperature (which varies), in complete darkness, with the knowledge that there aren't any insects that will crawl on me. Because of this I tend to not want to travel (even though I love exploring new places and cultures) because I can never get a good night's sleep elsewhere. Meanwhile the SLI i knew is able to make himself comfortable anywhere (from what I could tell).

[Suz]

you broke up with him??? :frown: I'm so sorry to hear that. . .

Yeah i'm exactly the same way with eating and thirst as you described above (including the lazy part ).

Maybe Si-DS manifests in various sorts of ways because I am extremely picky about my sleeping comforts--I can only sleep well in my own bed, with the fan on to drown out sudden noises, at a comfy temperature (which varies), in complete darkness, with the knowledge that there aren't any insects that will crawl on me. Because of this I tend to not want to travel (even though I love exploring new places and cultures) because I can never get a good night's sleep elsewhere. Meanwhile the SLI i knew is able to make himself comfortable anywhere (from what I could tell).

And posting 7 years later, that's probably because I'm Si ego lol.
And the "SLI" I was thinking of here probably wasn't SLI.