The Grey One

[Creepy-cinq]

This is tricky. The more recent photos - I would have guessed ST, probably ESTj Enneagram 8w9.

Describe him. What is he like? How does he think? What are his interests, his beliefs?

[Beautiful sky]

ESTp

[Beautiful sky]

My man is a hard worker at work. He is in charge of much including 100's of people.
At home he likes to have the entire family join him in what he would like to do. For example if he wants to go out he would like everyone to come along or if he wants to sit and watch a movie he likes everyone to be there beside him.
He is good at things that I am not and vice versa.
Everything has to be very tidy and in it's correct place.
I find him to be not very objective when it comes to things about himself.
He is very ambitious and respects people who work hard.
Spends hours and hours and hours categorizing things like music.
He loves to hold hands and hug often.
He can get very excited and enthusiastic about holidays, travel etc.
He likes big toys and the latest technologies.
Food and technology's are the things that he doesn't mind spending money on.
He always looks so comfortable no matter where he is.
Giving speeches in front of many people does not faze him.
He says that he likes to get reactions from people.
To me he seems very sensing and not intuitive.
He is very proud of his children and likes them to be good members of society. He lights up when he talks about them.
Dr Who is his favourite tv show followed by Star Trek.
He seems to have a silly switch which is hard to turn off once it is on.
He likes to be a leader.
He likes to delegate.

If I think of anything else to add later I will.

So are ESTp's...and? ESTj's don't like to manage. Does he like public displays of affection? Is he paranoid?

Gueorgui Zhukov—Marshal of the Soviet Union, a famous commander during the World War II.

1. The end result. This is the only thing that interests him. All he needs to achieve the final result he considers to be his vested interests. He is a strong-willed, determined person. "If stars shine at night – then somebody wanted it". With all his appearance he demonstrates he is far from being ostentatious, does not care for the impression he makes with others. “I did not understand, please repeat." – used to say Sergey Korolyov, the mastermind of the Soviet space technology. Few of Soviet top executives had the guts to ask this from Beria, the head of the Soviet secret police. All The Commander does is performed with ardor, passionately and must be brought to its conclusion. He has the personality of an untamed struggler, who must come out on top no matter what the cost. "One should not avoid difficulties! One needs to learn how to overcome them" is his motto.

2. Die Hard. The expression "severe but just" became already trivial about this sort of persons. Marshal Zhukov was a really tough person, but only he could say to Stalin: "If you believe that the Head of the Chief Headquarters is capable only of talking gibberish, then he has no reason to be here. I ask you to relieve me of my rank as the Head of the Chief Headquarters and to send to the front". He has no back thoughts about his right to manage other people. Even taking into account his love to collegial discussion of issues, he always reserves the last sentence for himself. This is usually compensated by profound passion for his cause and the ability to seed the same enthusiasm in others.

3. A fine tactician. He quickly grasps the current situation and distribution of power, makes a decision and acts. He is capable of political maneuvering but never forgets his line. He possesses powerful logic function, but this kind of logic is determined and thus biased, its purpose isn’t philosophical speculations but the creative search for the shortcut to finding a solution. It is easier for him to concede his logic than his goal.

4. Dispassionate. He seldom gives in to fear, hatred, and other negative emotions, rarely gets surprised and rarely envies. The more dangerous the situation, the more self-disciplined and resolute he becomes.

5. He does not like to speak about feelings: this is not his line. And if by chance such words slip out, he feels as if he betrayed himself. He is afraid of emotional love, considering it an undeserved luxury. He is anxious of other feelings as well. Perceiving others to be just like him, he has no doubt that he may be desired, but he is seldom sure he can also be loved. He needs his partner’s emotional support and submits his emotions to him. However, in practical activity he never tends to adaptation, but only to dictation.

[Morcheeba]

Your dad, I think, is the same type as Tom Hanks, what did everyone say his type was, ENFp?

[Creepy-cinq]

I can see E3 as a possibility given your description. And, what would you say about your relationship with the grey one, given your knowledge of socionics intertype relations. Even without knowing about intertype relations theory, how would you describe your relationship with him over the years? Would you consider him your dual, or does he mirror you, or is there something that better describes you relationship?

[Beautiful sky]

I should just clarify that when the Grey One gets excited about a cause and wants to dive straight in and do something about it it is not long before he gets bored and is on to the next thing.

Doesn't sound like ESTj. They develop and interest, remember and what are you going to do now? Change your story about him?

"He likes to lead. He has many ideals but often he doesn't think them through sufficiently."

Sorry, not ESTj...more like ESTp

[sarahcoles]

Doesn't sound like ESTj. They develop and interest, remember and what are you going to do now? Change your story about him?

"He likes to lead. He has many ideals but often he doesn't think them through sufficiently."

Sorry, not ESTj...more like ESTp

We haven't said that he is ESTj ... I don't know where you got that from.

Suzzy isn't sure if they are duality, mirror is a possibility...

If it is duality, it's not what you are hyping it up to be as they are more best friends.

[Beautiful sky]

What is your problem..
What story am I changing?

I said are you rather than you have.

[Beautiful sky]

After he puts his CD's in order, where does he store them?

[marooned]

My vote is SEI. Overall he seems relaxed and low-key and quite irrational, seems pretty IP. He also seems Fe creative to me in his presentation. He's very aware of how his environment makes him feel (Si) and he knows how to employ humor and silliness socially and likes everyone behind him with that passion when he's instigating changes at work (Fe). How things make him feel (if they make him feel better, reduce stress, etc.) seemed to be a central topic of the first video (Si). Specifically he talked about the things he likes (which I think the common thread is that he enjoys all of these things and he knows what he enjoys) -- Si leading supposedly tries to maintain a state of constant enjoyment, which I would say this matches him in the video. He has an aesthetic sense in terms of how his environment affects his internal state (he likes colorful flowers that brighten the mood, likes the house a certain way, etc.). He is in tune to these things to the extent that he probably changes them or goes to places that create these pleasant environments to improve his internal state. (I think that in general these things affect everyone at times, but to him they seem to be the main focus -- that this is the information he is most attuned to.)

His lack of discipline with exercise doesn't at all point away from Si leading, imo. IP is a low energy, not very self-disciplined temperament and does often struggle with such things. I don't think his self-reported ambitiousness or competitiveness goes against Si leading either.

I don't see Se or Ne.

[Beautiful sky]

Also, he is popular wherever he goes, much more so than I am. Everyone loves him it seems including all of the ladies!

Christopher Reeve was an avid sailor also an ESTp..why you can't see resemblence is beyond me, may be denial?