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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I only laugh about certain styles of comedy. I like funny puns, for example. Most shows which are on TV are not funny at all, even if they try to be. There are plenty of people who burst with laughter, but I can hardly smile about it. Maybe it's also because most german comedy shows and stand-up comedians are just not good.
I'm trying not to use too many curses and I'm annoyed by people who don't care.
Passion is something that is typically not what you prefer for other, is this because you want them to take a conscious and calculated steps in fulfilling goals? You see I don't know how to translate what you see about passion that is different from ISTp; ISTp's are very passionate. How would you describe passion as something that you don't like?
My mom is INTp by the way, and she gets excited but when I display passion she gets skeptical...why is that?
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Thank you dolphin! Well, it was a long time ago. The book was called "The 13th prediction" (directly translated from german) and I had to read it for school in a lower grade. I don't even know if it has been translated into english.
I would say I'm definitely passionated if I want to reach a goal. No matter if it's about climbing a mountain or creating something. I admit that people maybe don't recognize it and think I would be rather indifferent about that. However, close friends or family members know when I really throw myself into a certain cause. I prefer if people are aware what likely will happen in reality, even if they are passionated about something which seems unreal, you know? I mean it's no problem if it seems to be impossible, important is that you can cope with it if it's not working at the end.
Maybe your mum is skeptical because she never knows if you're really commited to it. I also get skeptical if people display very much passion. Perhaps because I deal with passion quite "silently" and just for myself.
That makes complete sense to me...
ISTp voice passion by gestures and outwardly spoken words, will work hard and are motivated about their passion
INTp silent about their passion and only exhude excitement and hard work as a motivation of that passion
You're right about my mom, she does want me to stay commited at tasks and finish things I start...thank you.
How about your diet? What do you enjoy eating or not?
I believe that one major difference between you and INTj is sex drive; you see alpha quad like to take a long time in the bedroom, whereas you are much more conscious about time and things that need to be done and don't want to waste time in this area. It's a part of that unnecessary lingering and redundency.
You are more conservative and less likely to discuss things of sexual nature in public. Am I correct?
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
...even though I'm also prone to quit things I'm working on (if they are not necessary to be done or just things I wanted to do), I do believe it's better to finish things. I started to write about 4 stories but never finished one...
In general, I like eating very much. I'm lucky because I can virtually eat whatever I want without getting fat. I like a balanced diet, not too much meat, but also not just vegetables all the time. I'm not too worried about the things I eat, but I try to keep it healthy. I'm also not a fan of very fatty things.
Yeah, I'll check it out, thanks. There are some Brits with rather unusual humor... but not the worst, I suppose.
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In general, I like eating very much. I'm lucky because I can virtually eat whatever I want without getting fat. I like a balanced diet, not too much meat, but also not just vegetables all the time. I'm not too worried about the things I eat, but I try to keep it healthy. I'm also not a fan of very fatty things.
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Eatting and not gaining proper form of weight as in protein and muscle development is actually specifically related to N types; it's not healthy for us not to have a good digestive system like this.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
No seriously, german humor isn't that great. (If you regard what is shown on TV as "german" humor.) Have you ever heard of Michael Mittermeier? He's the worst of all of them. I heard about Calvin & Hobbes, I think, but I've not read it.
@Maritsa33:
Maybe, but I guess there's nothing I could do against it.
could somebody please tell me how to post pics ? is it [img]url of image[/img]?
Now, that is Gamma humor...fun....ESFj's will like that very much as well, and will be very attracted to INTp's mistaking them for their dual, but one small difference in j/p makes all the world in duality.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Hehe, quite funny indeed. I'm now on the homepage of C&H and skim through the comic strips. I used to like Loriot comics, he's a german comedian with a very witty humor I think. Here are some examples:
the two following are from "Take it easy"
"Young people can also be happy without high school diploma."
Sometimes, I do. If I get the feeling that they aren't aware of the negative consequences which their actions could cause. Some people ask my advice, but that doesn't happen very frequently.
I think I don't worry too much. For instance, if I tell someone that it's not a good idea to do something and explain him the reasons why I'm convinced of that and he does it anyway, I let him do it.
Well, for example if they want to make a larger purchase and I know a better or much cheaper possibility to get the same. (Only legal of course ) But in general, it's about everything. If I think I know a better or maybe safer way I'll say it. (yeah, I'm often called "wise guy") But as I said, if they understand my point and act differntly, I don't worry about it. Not because I'm mad if they don't do what I said, but because they listened to me and decided their way would be better. That's okay since I believe everyone should do what they think it's right.
Another example would be a girl I know which uses the tanning bed excessively. I told her it would ruin her skin and she could already see the results today(!). She uses it anyway, so I say she has to live with the consequences.
Last edited by Beautiful sky; 03-15-2010 at 07:49 PM.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I can understand this, because it maybe also helps the people better in the current situation. I prefer to let them learn by themselves out of their mistakes. But I have to say that I can also be wrong, perhaps their way was the better one after all. If so, there was never a problem and I didn't push them to take my bad advice.
Well, read your last sentence again word for word and you'll get the answer. :wink: Well, actually there are very few people who use tanning beds here... especially in winter! So she's definitely an eye-catcher (but not necessarily in the best sense of the word). Sure, I can take a look at him, but I have no V.I. experience at all. And also my normal typing seems not to be the best. :wink:
Maybe you can only determine their type if you know them personally. Or if you knew them before they started their careers. Hey, no problem, it's just like a random shot if I try to type anyone. I'm quite confident about the types of my parents and the one of my best friend, but I'm not even sure about my brother's... not that good I'd say. :wink:
Suzzy, these possibilities and myrid of options that you produce is the use of Ne in your third spot: read here the sequence of postings exchanged between myself and another forum memeber and you can what I speak of why Ne in you doesn't mean that you're not intuitive, but that it doesn't fully allow you to settle because of this coaster of ideas it shoots out...
Originally Posted by Mariella:
She tries to get this VI system going, though it's a pretty ridiculous thing. But I could see that being someone who values Ti and is very weak at it. Also, IME those of us with the whole Ne/Fi thing are often plagued by self doubt. Actually it seems like Alpha Ne types are the same. If someone suggests another type for us, we feel compelled to investigate that possibility. I've investigated IEI and ILE when people suggested those types, for instance. And I'm much older than she is so she can't say it's her age and maturity that have caused how sure of things she is. (And I don't find her all that mature anyway. There are teenagers here who seems more mature to me.) Anyway, that desire for absolute certainty and avoidance of looking into other possibilities points toward Se and away from Ne, in my opinion.
Although, honestly, she seems a bit odd and that would certainly cloud her type. I can't say for sure she isn't EII. (There's that Ne. Can't close off possibilities.)
Maritsa:
That is what I am trying to do; I am weak at systems but I understand the structure and dynamic interplay of types; I can't explain it because of Ne and lack of good communication, which none of my self proclaimed duals here, have taken time and energy to help clairify...
Originally Posted by Mariella:
Although, honestly, she seems a bit odd and that would certainly cloud her type. I can't say for sure she isn't EII. (There's that Ne. Can't close off possibilities.)
Maritsa:
And your Ne is in your third spot therefore you can not make full use of it like Ti for me; so you are SEE in reality; do you see the connection?
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I would say plug out your telephone, shut down your PC, listen to some relaxing music and wait until you fall asleep. :wink:
My father is an ISTj, my mother ISFj. But they are not totally sure, even if I let them take one test.
I think time is rather important for me. It's necessary for me to be on time and I take lots of time to do tasks and personal projects. Sometimes it can be quite difficult for me to manage my time and to allot it. Like everything, it's relative at the end so it's basically no problem for me to do "nothing" if it's fun. However, boredom is not very good for me.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
You are most likely INTp and that's really nice to have you on this forum(INTps here are extremely rare). Hope you will enjoy it here.
Sorry for digging this thread out of it's grave, I hope you don't mind.
The reason why some people rather typed me Extrovert or Alpha type could be that I might be the logical subtype of ILI. According to Gulenko this subtype can appear a bit more Alpha-like (how I understood it). What's your opinion about these subtypes, are they reliable to better describe your individual type?
I missed this question. Yes, you are right. I think it's somewhat obnoxious if people do.
„Man can do what he wants but he cannot want what he wants.“
– Arthur Schopenhauer
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I read that an ILI with logical subtype equals most accurate an mbti-INTP. This could be the explanation why I often score as INTP in mbti tests.
Haha well, assuming that you have stated this fact:
"You are more conservative and less likely to discuss things of sexual nature in public." for Gamma types, and because I perceive the internet as a public place, I would say that the answer for your question is part of the category of "not-going-to-talk-about".
„Man can do what he wants but he cannot want what he wants.“
– Arthur Schopenhauer
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
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Thank you!
Sounds interesting. What do you mean with "excluded"? I got INTJ (yeah, with capital j, it was mbti this day) after my very first test. But this was just a extra short version, similar to the socionics turbo (not XL) test on socionics.com. After that, I was always unsure about it, once I had ISTJ, then INFP. But nowadays I'm pretty confident about my type. Well, and as you know, probably Te subtype, but I'm not 100% sure.
„Man can do what he wants but he cannot want what he wants.“
– Arthur Schopenhauer
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Yeah, I understand. I also read a lot about typology, I always discovered new traits of me, which I didn't know before... this changed my view of my type several times. When I learned more about socionics, I was more confident about it. Maybe this sudden enlightenment of your friend is -related? :wink:
„Man can do what he wants but he cannot want what he wants.“
– Arthur Schopenhauer
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In socionics, yes. I explicitly stated "in MBTI". I try to show you that cognitive processes are *this* differently described in that system. Which is why any conversion to/from MBTI, if it was to happen in the first place, shouldn't use functions as they are different, especially irrational/perceiving ones.
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