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There is some really good stuff in this thread for people who might be confused about Ni.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
WTF are you doing here, Gilly. You ain't no Ni creative.
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Originally Posted by Gilly
My parents are Ni creative and they are both on the controlling side. And I'm not just saying that because they're my parents.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
Oh. Ok.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
And an intuitive logical extratim.
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Originally Posted by Gilly
Yeah? Fi PoLR abound?
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
Nah probably ESI or perhaps EII from what I've read in the Bible.
The Miltonian Satan is Beta extrovert as fuck.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
Jesus is Abbie's dual.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
You guys screw up my jokes.
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Originally Posted by Gilly
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But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
I suppose I'm somewhat manipulative in my use of Ni, but I'm still honest in my manipulation. For example, my Ni will time lapse the events of a particular action I could make to get the desired result. For example, in order to get someone to notice something, I will make a gesture in order to communicate to another's subconscious to get what I want. I don't use this for evil though, I still have principles.
Based invisible hand LIE
There have been descriptions that call LIE's "Jack the Exploiter". Whoever gave them that title seemed to perceive LIE's as being manipulative for some reason.
I think that with Ni base, you might have a situation where the person thinks of a certain outcome, and then thinks "how can I alter this outcome"? The flow of information is going from Ni to a judgement function, such as Te. With Ni creative, on the other hand, you would probably have a situation where the person thinks of a certain problem and then thinks "how can I fix this problem?" with Ni. In that case, Ni would be the vision that allows them to fix the problem related to the leading function. The flow of information would be going from something like Te to Ni.
I don't think this would make xIE's seem manipulative by itself. I think that the manipulative part of xIE's might actually be related to their strategic dichotomy. IxI's don't make determined goals, therefore they don't have a major reason to steer resources (such as people) towards those goals. xIE's make goals, therefore for the goals to be effective, they need to steer resources (people) towards them.
They might resemble Se base because Se base types (SxE's) are also strategic.
I guess it's also possible that the flow of information causes the types to be manipulative. I would guess that maybe it's because the base functions are extroverted by nature, and therefore seek to alter the external world.
From my experience, it seems like Ni doms just space out and think about possible futures, then go "oh no" to one of them and think of how to prevent it from happening. So we also kind of do inception in real life, but kind of more in an unpurposed way, usually when life is just not that interesting. Also, from my personal experience, it seems like we also space out during conversations and then when we come back to reality, we kind of extrapolate or figure out what the other person could have said through logic and memory. It's a little bit of a risky way to live.
I'm being sarcastic because I think it's funny how people mistify Ni and turn it into some kind of superpower or think what they can do is more special than it actually is. Like, what you said can just be boiled down to daydreaming, almost excessively so, it's a good sign of Ni, alright, and I'm guilty of it too although mine are usually fantastical in nature, but the point is that it's not some mastermind ability regular humans don't have access to but just being in your own head a lot. Picking up on topics due to context cues also comes with whole human package.
It seems like some people don't have the ability to imagine stuff very well. I've seen apparent ISTJ's on other forums say that they have to lie down in order to get ideas or imagine things. I know a likely LSI who says that he can't imagine faces very well, and I know of a likely SEI who doesn't seem to even understand why people daydream. So to some people, it seems to be somehow a kind of superpower, or some ability or tendency that they don't have.
Mine are also fantastical in nature about 80% of the time. Most of the 20% left is imagining futures that don't even happen in reality. I can kind of extrapolate a future, but it's not dependable. It's actually more of a form of entertainment most of the time.
I've questioned that maybe I'm a SLI or an EII, but then my relationships with other people wouldn't make any sense. I'm also incredibly lazy, and I don't think I like Si-related topics.
Is Si-creative violent by nature?
Ni in Jung's Psychological Types was literally ESP.
There are some implications from that statement which go beyond the realm of socionics. For one it implies that there is a world beyond our material world and that alone belongs to the domain of faith. The perception of ghosts and paranormal stuff implies that the person who is experiencing that perception is either a superhuman (if we believe it to be true), a prophet /messenger/chosen one, and/or a schizophrenic person (ESP and schizophrenia not necessarily being mutually exclusive if ESP actually exist ). We can choose to believe for whatever reasons that there is a world beyond this world and if we do so, then we are also willing to believe that there are some superhumans who are able to perceive it while most people don't. In the scriptures of some religions namely the Abrahamic ones Angels and Demons do exist, to deny their existence is to deny the existence of God and thus deny faith itself. However, ghosts are excluded from the realm of ESP in Abrahamic religions (some creatures like golems and such exist nonetheless in the esoteric teaching of the kabbalah). One can also argue that the ESP phenomena mostly comes from paganism and the archaic cult of the ancestors (the dead).
A thought , our mind is a gap filler. It's true for our perception of reality, we kinda reconstruct with imagination most of our peripheral environment when we focus on our central vision (weird but true !). It's also true for our memories, the more we remember events and images the more they are alternated or modified. It's kinda scary to think that the events we remember can be so modified by our own perception that they don't really align with the reality of those events anymore (false memories), our brain unconsciously fills the memory gaps with its own imagination, any good investigator knows that, hence the importance of the time factor in witness testimony management. Those replacement are like our dreams, out of our conscious control. So I ask myself : isn't that unconscious process an IE in itself ? There must be a reason why the expression "daydreaming" is associated with Ni, a disconnection from reality of the senses, an immersion in the realm of imagination out of real time perception (opposite to Se which is awake while Ni is at sleep so to speak), a trance. Filling in gaps, why ? Some say it's because our brain is rational and wants things to make sense. Ahahah, isn't that a biased statement at least in the light of socionics ?! Anyways, I want to believe !
AFAIK, it is good at pointing out likely vagueness in the horizon. You either pick the good parts or not.
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