Nazi Party

[JohnDo]

Beta:
Adolf ******: EIE
Josef Goebbels: EIE
Heinrich Himmler: LSI

Gamma:
Hermann Göring: LIE
Wilhelm Keitel: LIE
Albert Speer: ILI
Joachhim von Ribbentrop: ILI

[Absurd]

I thought you said that typing celebrities doesn't pay off or something like that.

[Sol]

I doubt about Heinrich Himmler
Hermann Goring - ESTP(?)
Wilhelm Keitel - ISTJ(?)

What is fun, Stalin (ISTJ) and ****** (ENFJ) were duals.

[Absurd]

What is fun, Stalin (ISTJ) and ****** (ENFJ) were duals.

And your source is socionics, right ?

[Jarno]

And your source is socionics, right ?

Yes I think most people would agree that those types are most likely the correct ones.

[Absurd]

Yes ...

Could you post a one example of this duality you speak of ?

[JuJu]

And your source is socionics, right ?

****** and Stalin were, IMO, duals... Ni-ENFj and (? subtype) ISTj respectively... From what I've read, Stalin admired ****** quite a lot, and trusted that ****** would not go to war with him (for a much longer time--two years--than he did... Stalin was surprised--and personally hurt--by ******'s attack.) Stalin read Mein Kampf through-and-through, and--from what I've read--found ****** personally fascinating... They got along well, personally.

I've experienced EIE-LSI duality manifest similarly to this.

Re: Krig and "****** may actually have been IEI.." I've also read that ****** was quite "reserved" in private... I'd like to caveat that "reserved" is totally normal for EIEs... Personally, I feel much more "extroverted" in front of large crowds than I do one-on-one... I've heard several other ENFjs speak to this as well--unefille, for example... I feel like I have more 'control,' for lack of a better word, over a group emotional dynamic than I do a one-on-one emotionaly dynamic.

The more I study Socionics, the more I'm convinced that behavior (i.e. "reserved) falls in the province of MBTI, and isn't tied to Socionics' type. There are, for example more talkative IEIs, and more reserved EIEs--an EIE being "reserved" doesn't make him an IEI, that is to say... The way to tell the difference between two mirrors is by studying their info metabolism, inter-type relations, and evaluating their energy/comparing it to other examples.

******'s strict regimentation, (and even his stiff posture,) betray an IEI typing... IMO, Ni-EIE is correct.

[Creepy-Pied Piper]

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****** and Stalin were, IMO, duals... Ni-ENFj and (? subtype) ISTj respectively... From what I've read, Stalin admired ****** quite a lot, and trusted that ****** would not go to war with him (for a much longer time--two years--than he did... Stalin was surprised--and personally hurt--by ******'s attack.) Stalin read Mein Kampf through-and-through, and--from what I've read--found ****** personally fascinating... They got along well, personally.

I've experienced EIE-LSI duality manifest similarly to this.

Re: Krig and "****** may actually have been IEI.." I've also read that ****** was quite "reserved" in private... I'd like to caveat that "reserved" is totally normal for EIEs... Personally, I feel much more "extroverted" in front of large crowds than I do one-on-one... I've heard several other ENFjs speak to this as well--unefille, for example... I feel like I have more 'control,' for lack of a better word, over a group emotional dynamic than I do a one-on-one emotionaly dynamic.

The more I study Socionics, the more I'm convinced that behavior (i.e. "reserved) falls in the province of MBTI, and isn't tied to Socionics' type. There are, for example more talkative IEIs, and more reserved EIEs--an EIE being "reserved" doesn't make him an IEI, that is to say... The way to tell the difference between two mirrors is by studying their info metabolism, inter-type relations, and evaluating their energy/comparing it to other examples.

******'s strict regimentation, (and even his stiff posture,) betray an IEI typing... IMO, Ni-EIE is correct.

I agree with the history as well as EIE and the differences in MBTI and Socionics.

[Creepy-Pied Piper]

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[Creepy-Pied Piper]

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[Azeroffs]

@Azeroffs: are you serious about that?

Yeah, and if you're not at war with your conflictor the same thing happens. Conflict relations are the reason why there is war in the world.

</sarcasm>

[Absurd]

You people seem to bridge two different systems together. The latter being reactionary to the former.

EDIT: But, I agree, Jarno - I don't know shite about duality.

[Creepy-Pied Piper]

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[Krig the Viking]

I theorize ****** may actually have been an IEI. His public persona was certainly EIE, but that was a carefully crafted act. What I've studied of his private persona seems more reserved, and I while I wouldn't say I'm certain he was IEI, I think it's worth investigating.

[JuJu]

Adolf ****** is ILE his girlfriend was an SF something or other

I havn't typed the others...

If you tried to justify such a typing beyond a one-off sentence, I could at least respond with a "good effort, but you might want to consider..."

I have a hunch that you're still thinking in terms of MBTI, and haven't learned much about Socionics yet.

You're new to Socionics... It might be best to read about the theory first. No offense intended.

Edit: Ni-EIE has been confused for ILE in the past on this forum.

[Enters Laughing]

Adolf ******: ESE
Eva Braun: ESE
Josef Goebbels: ESE
Heinrich Himmler: SEI
Hermann Göring: ESE
Albert Speer: ILE
Richard Wagner: LII