The 16types : Misidentified

[Creepy-Cyclops]

@Huitzilopochtli

I've found your recent posts to be a bit more interesting to read.

fwiw, when you were "acting" like LSI, it irritated me simply because I could see it was act and that it wasn't you, and the factual basis of your actions and your mis-interpretations of things annoyed me. For all I know your Ni was making you think you were LSI, hehe.

So anyway, yeah, what i'm saying is, it is good to see you being yourself more so again, like when you first got involved with socionics, makes for clearer posts imo, and I look forward to enjoying what you write again, like I think I did some time in the past.

[Nexus]

@Huitzilopochtli

I've found your recent posts to be a bit more interesting to read.

fwiw, when you were "acting" like LSI, it irritated me simply because I could see it was act and that it wasn't you, and the factual basis of your actions and your mis-interpretations of things annoyed me. For all I know you're Ni was making you think you were LSI, hehe.

So anyway, yeah, what i'm saying is, it is good to see you being yourself more so again, like when you first got involved with socionics, makes for clearer posts imo, and I look forward to enjoying what you write again, like I think I did some time in the past.

thank you, I appreciate that you think so

[krieger]

how so, quasi? what is the criterion of an ontology? is it an abstract system of nomothetic fancies that have no real appication beyond their own self-defined syntactical validity? I find that if there is one thing that Alphas are very understanding of, it is circular reasoning...

How so: because you have a stronger tendency than any one on the forum to cling to these "fancies" you mention. You go from asserting one view with confidence to brashly defending one opposite to- and fully incompatible with it. Even your self-typing changes on a whim despite the fact that you asserted your view of it as an absolute in each of it's incarnations.

I really don't care if someone posesses these flaws and doesn't affect me with them, but when such a person then mounts an attack on a group I'm part of, I can't be blamed for mentioning them in my defense.

The criterion for the correctness of an ontology is in it's ability to organize past observations and predict future ones with accuracy, which is in no way something Alphans are less well equiped to provide than people from another quadra.

[Nexus]

polikujm, if you feelings have changed, then as someone obstinate and serious (and PoLR) it should be of little concern to you as the driving inspiration for creatives is ; serious types know that they are serious, whatever anyone might introvertedly think, so that should be of little relevance...however, I relate a little to what you say...as NTs we often find ourselves dependent on the emotions and sensing abilities of others...that is why you might (as a constructivist) feel somewhat out of touch, but ultimately the activity of IM elements not associated with the ego should hardly be of any real concern either...that you don't understand the theory of socionics is IMO for the best, though it might open your eyes to new perceptions your expectations as an NT must be somewhat biased already and so the only real understanding you can get is from your own usage of the theory; my advice would be to take the aspects you feel most introvertedly about and apply them for yourself, as a way to keep your understanding in tune with the real world and your own objectives

How so: because you have a stronger tendency than any one on the forum to cling to these "fancies" you mention. You go from asserting one view with confidence to brashly defending one opposite to- and fully incompatible with it. Even your self-typing changes on a whim despite the fact that you asserted your view of it as an absolute in each of it's incarnations.

I really don't care if someone posesses these flaws and doesn't affect me with them, but when such a person then mounts an attack on a group I'm part of, I can't be blamed for mentioning them in my defense.

The criterion for the correctness of an ontology is in it's ability to organize past observations and predict future ones with accuracy, which is in no way something Alphans are less well equiped to provide than people from another quadra.

That is Popper's criterion; indeed all theories have anomalies that cannot be purely blamed on experimental errors, and in order to apply any equation you must prove analytically or numerically that it is correct; analytical analysis relies on the same theoretical garbage out of which the theory is constructed and so also requires a criterion; numerical analysis requires , because to prove the existence of any particular reasoning without experiencing every infinitesimal possibility is not possible until one idea is decidedly superior due to the extinguishment of other counterfactual possibilities; systems defined in our extravertedly own reasoned language, while accountable for billions of seemingly unique experiences, are intrinsically prone to error if only by Godel's Theorem even if they are at all by some chance accurately descriptive; lastly, data interpretation is a feat in and of itself, and it has to do with creating judgments (once the perceptions have been created), I know by Quine-Duhem Thesis that there are at least 10 independent interpretations of quantum mechanics of which thus far no Alpha line of reasoning or thought has been able to select, indeed, quantum mechanics itself is incompatible with general relativity yet they both independently describe their own perceptions with a greater confirmed accuracy of prediction then the other discipline or the older, unified classical mechanics, within their own fields of observation...unfortunately these theories involve the big and the small and as they are incompatible offer very little pragmatic guidance for the vast in-betweens that are harder to measure but more often encountered...and anyway, I have no subscription to the common fantasies, only my own anticipations of what I believe is statistically more likely to occur (hypothesis) over time, because I realize that progress is a process and it involves change...you must have not understood

sorry if you are upset, but I don't like to hear my dual get trashed using and , by only their own superego, which I must extinguish, and anyway, in my experience the feeling types have always caused the thinkers to stop and think, not the other way around...

[Ezra]

fwiw, when you were "acting" like LSI, it irritated me simply because I could see it was act and that it wasn't you, and the factual basis of your actions and your mis-interpretations of things annoyed me. For all I know your Ni was making you think you were LSI, hehe.

I think everyone does that though when they take on a new type. It's trying the stereotype on for size. Obviously when you take it off people see you for what you are which - if you are indeed that type and not just acting - is that type.

[Creepy-Pied Piper]

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[silverchris9]

How so: because you have a stronger tendency than any one on the forum to cling to these "fancies" you mention.

I am moved by fancies that are curled/around these images, and cling/the notion of some infinitely gentle/infinitely suffering thing. (I might've gotten the line breaks wrong...)

(I have been a vegetarian since the age of 4 despite constant prodding otherwise)

Dude, me too. Like, almost the exact same age, same prodding (up until I was about 12, and then I started cooking for myself, and they pretty much got the message and gave up then). Except I was stupid and didn't think sausage on pizza was meat until I was like 8. Fail.

[Wynch]

silly Alphas, you missed the point; your flimsy subjective stronghold is being objectively tested; serious, decisive, and people-oriented, ESFps already know if they get you or not, before you even notice they are there; IMO their talents are wasted otherwise

sorry if you are upset, but I don't like to hear my dual get trashed using and , by only their own superego, which I must extinguish, and anyway, in my experience the feeling types have always caused the thinkers to stop and think, not the other way around...

What I don't understand here is why you felt it necessary to go back through the information in this thread (was my post even in this thread, I don't know) to defend your dual. This wasn't relevant to you when the post was made (when SEE wasn't your dual), but now that you have a new dual, you feel the need to jump to their defense and simultaneously attack alphas. If what I said was untrue when it was first said, a product of my subjective stronghold, then why wasn't it necessary to defend them then. To me, this post was entirely personal and subjective on your behalf, a reflection of your recent type change.

In response to what you had to say to my post directly, it would be interesting to me if you could demonstrate how an SEE objectively tests my subjective strongholds. If anything, the role in our relationship (myself and this particular SEE) is one where we conflict when I try to test his subjective strongholds. I don't doubt that he and other SEEs have an ability to make snap (and often very astute) character judgments about people, but that had nothing to do with what I said. Additionally, what I quoted in that post were the words of my SLI boyfriend if you read more closely (one of this SEEs best friends). How that can be a trashing by I'm not sure. The comment was made because the same day my boyfriend said this of our SEE friend, Aixelsyd posted something that was passive and assuaging to another forum member.

[Park]

Except I was stupid and didn't think sausage on pizza was meat until I was like 8. Fail.

Meet Pizza al Tonno



Tuna, onion, olives. Perfetto.

[Galen]

All huitzilaioanuigadk is doing for me is proving that INTps don't exist on the internet; only people who think they are INTp.

[717495]

All huitzilaioanuigadk is doing for me is proving that INTps don't exist on the internet; only people who think they are INTp.

Welcome, arctures, to noob phase.

[FDG]

Meet Pizza al Tonno



Tuna, onion, olives. Perfetto.

Jesus...this is awful. Awful. TOO MUCH ONION...jesus pizza should be banished in the US.

[717495]

I saw a pizza ad on the highway that looked like the moon. Its condiments basically looked made up of a few blotches of rotten milk and egg.

I prefer pizza pizza.

[Marie84]

Jesus...this is awful. Awful. TOO MUCH ONION...jesus pizza should be banished in the US.

That's not typical American pizza, Parkster probably just has an acquired taste for tuna and super oniony pizza

[thePirate]

The criterion for the correctness of an ontology is in it's ability to organize past observations and predict future ones with accuracy, which is in no way something Alphans are less well equiped to provide than people from another quadra.

I disagree with this for obvious reasons.

What I don't understand here is why you felt it necessary to go back through the information in this thread (was my post even in this thread, I don't know) to defend your dual. This wasn't relevant to you when the post was made (when SEE wasn't your dual), but now that you have a new dual, you feel the need to jump to their defense and simultaneously attack alphas. If what I said was untrue when it was first said, a product of my subjective stronghold, then why wasn't it necessary to defend them then. To me, this post was entirely personal and subjective on your behalf, a reflection of your recent type change.

In response to what you had to say to my post directly, it would be interesting to me if you could demonstrate how an SEE objectively tests my subjective strongholds. If anything, the role in our relationship (myself and this particular SEE) is one where we conflict when I try to test his subjective strongholds. I don't doubt that he and other SEEs have an ability to make snap (and often very astute) character judgments about people, but that had nothing to do with what I said. Additionally, what I quoted in that post were the words of my SLI boyfriend if you read more closely (one of this SEEs best friends). How that can be a trashing by I'm not sure. The comment was made because the same day my boyfriend said this of our SEE friend, Aixelsyd posted something that was passive and assuaging to another forum member.

well said vero, I completely agree.

huitz, you're idealizing and attributing characteristics to ESFp that aren't there; furthermore I dont even think your an ILI. completely subjective and its making you look foolish.

labcoat has a point too, I dont know why you went as far as to say silly alphas when it was specifically vero(and not even her really) who made the comment that set you off.

do you even know what dualitys feels like?

defending a "dual" you dont even really understand outside of theory is a little silly

[Nexus]

What I don't understand here is why you felt it necessary to go back through the information in this thread (was my post even in this thread, I don't know) to defend your dual. This wasn't relevant to you when the post was made (when SEE wasn't your dual), but now that you have a new dual, you feel the need to jump to their defense and simultaneously attack alphas. If what I said was untrue when it was first said, a product of my subjective stronghold, then why wasn't it necessary to defend them then. To me, this post was entirely personal and subjective on your behalf, a reflection of your recent type change.

In response to what you had to say to my post directly, it would be interesting to me if you could demonstrate how an SEE objectively tests my subjective strongholds. If anything, the role in our relationship (myself and this particular SEE) is one where we conflict when I try to test his subjective strongholds. I don't doubt that he and other SEEs have an ability to make snap (and often very astute) character judgments about people, but that had nothing to do with what I said. Additionally, what I quoted in that post were the words of my SLI boyfriend if you read more closely (one of this SEEs best friends). How that can be a trashing by I'm not sure. The comment was made because the same day my boyfriend said this of our SEE friend, Aixelsyd posted something that was passive and assuaging to another forum member.

IMHO, you began by slandering others, and posting gross misinformation about people you have no concept of simply because they don't process information the way that you do; FYI, with and id, ESFp does what your dual can only do for you with nothing less than the absolute in understanding and care, this ESFp does for everyone and with functions that are nearly unconscious while absorbing information from people and creating real relationships (not that I blame you for being PoLR, not everyone can be taken all that seriously); anyway, if you have real opinions, I suggest that you defend the ones that you yourself agree with, rather than quote what everyone else says, otherwise you spread misinformation with a randomness that is anything but indicative of creative thought...

All huitzilaioanuigadk is doing for me is proving that INTps don't exist on the internet; only people who think they are INTp.

...or, you can get over my self-typing and try to make sense of what I am saying; if you don't know what I said, how can you understand how I process information?

do you even know what dualitys feels like?

defending a "dual" you dont even really understand outside of theory is a little silly

I remember you from when you were still just a troll, and then an IEE troll; IMO everything you produce is a little silly

Welcome, arctures, to noob phase.

do you mean because I just switched over to this IM? there is a small chance that I am LIE, but I am pretty solid in my present ego; I think I need to be less understanding and more reasonable (to other people)

Except I was stupid and didn't think sausage on pizza was meat until I was like 8. Fail.

rofl

[1981slater]

Meet Pizza al Tonno



Tuna, onion, olives. Perfetto.

Paella FTW!!!!!

[717495]

do you mean because I just switched over to this IM?

No. Arctures, from my distant perception, is starting to make less and less sense inductively, which too has indicated for many of us prior, the near beginning of noob phase; it is almost here. The reason behind the ensuing drop in sense is due to the context used. The context will now become more and more realistic, as the ideas more and more explicit. Thank God. Plenty don't make it to this phase, but I usually don't doubt the non-Ti-egocentrics to get so wrapped up in meaningless theoretical constructs. Noob phase is a stage in socionics learning where one gradually realizes that he or she has been pretending to understand and employ an idealized interpretation of socionics, one that comes from vaguely understood core ideas or associations drawn from a few allegedly concurring users' knowledge bases. The overall purpose of noob phase is to try to piece everything together on a more open and experimental basis. They are done pretending to understand something, have begun trying to use the knowledge in real life, and are only beginning and will continue to witness the many structural faults and irrelevancies an array of various associations offer. Noob phase looks a lot like the initial newb phase, except that it has a lot more readily available information to work with, and comes right after pro phase. Pro phase usually occurs only once, though it has been seen from time to time to consecutively repeat once or twice for some students, before entering into the next phase. I am currently going through noob phase, and it is hard to say now when the end is near. Alas, others have made it through. No worry.

[717495]

Paella FTW!!!!!

True.

[FDG]

Paella FTW!!!!!

I'm sure paella is 100000000 times better than THAT pizza. However it's probably on par with this pizza:

[Wynch]

IMHO, you began by slandering others, and posting gross misinformation about people you have no concept of simply because they don't process information the way that you do; FYI, with and id, ESFp does what your dual can only do for you with nothing less than the absolute in understanding and care, this ESFp does for everyone and with functions that are nearly unconscious while absorbing information from people and creating real relationships (not that I blame you for being PoLR, not everyone can be taken all that seriously); anyway, if you have real opinions, I suggest that you defend the ones that you yourself agree with, rather than quote what everyone else says, otherwise you spread misinformation with a randomness that is anything but indicative of creative thought...

Honestly Huitz, I think you're just looking for a reason to get defensive of SEEs. If you'd like to know my opinion, this SEE can be exactly how my boyfriend described, as was his SEE ex-girlfriend. Does that mean that SEEs are without positive attributes? Not at all. I do, however, stand by the notion that SEEs are high-maintenance individuals who need someone ready to deal with their brashness and stubbornness. Something you may want to consider before you make the judgment that I'm simply slandering and spreading misinformation is the fact that this person has been labelled as my friend. In fact, he is one of my room mates and will be moving in with just my boyfriend and I next year. Additionally, I've talked about my interactions with him in other threads where I make it quite clear that I have no intention of making him seem like a completely awful person. In this instance, I was making a jest about Aixelsyd and about this SEE. If you'd like I can make a list of all the positive attributes about him as well, but in this thread at this time (two months ago...) that wasn't relevant.

[Park]

Jesus...this is awful. Awful. TOO MUCH ONION...jesus pizza should be banished in the US.

If you zoom in a little, you will notice that apart from the top onion rings, the rest is actually half melted shredded cheese.

That's not typical American pizza, Parkster probably just has an acquired taste for tuna and super oniony pizza

I don't mind little to no onion, as long as there's tuna.



I pretty much love tuna in all kinds of ways and on all kinds of things.

[Park]

p.s. Paella rocks, too.

[Park]

I'm sure paella is 100000000 times better than THAT pizza. However it's probably on par with this pizza:

Si PoLR showing off his taste in food....

[FDG]

Si PoLR showing off his taste in food....

What? That's the typical Neapolitan pizza, the best kind of, internationally recognized as such.

the rest is actually half melted shredded cheese.

I did notice. You shouldn't use that kind of cheese on Pizza. It's not real mozzarella, it's so-called pizza topping, an absolutely awful cheaper version (much heavier and less tasty).

[Creepy-male]

fwiw, I think Fabio's pizza looks delicious, and I'm going to enjoy having pizza tomorrow night, because I'm not going to be able to resisting doing so after seeing that damn thing.

Nom

[thePirate]

IMHO, you began by slandering others, and posting gross misinformation about people you have no concept of simply because they don't process information the way that you do; FYI, with and id, ESFp does what your dual can only do for you with nothing less than the absolute in understanding and care, this ESFp does for everyone and with functions that are nearly unconscious while absorbing information from people and creating real relationships (not that I blame you for being PoLR, not everyone can be taken all that seriously); anyway, if you have real opinions, I suggest that you defend the ones that you yourself agree with, rather than quote what everyone else says, otherwise you spread misinformation with a randomness that is anything but indicative of creative thought...



I remember you from when you were still just a troll, and then an IEE troll; IMO everything you produce is a little silly

rofl

yeah thats cool, except you didnt answer my question at all

way to look worse

are you so pathetic to take what vero said that deeply?

nothing she said was a gross misinformation at all, in fact I think it was an accurate portrayal of super ego and I have seen SEE do the kind of shit she talks about. just because yoru sucking their cocks doesnt make valid information untrue.

you want to talk about gross misinformation? putting out the idea that an ESFP takes care of Si/Fe with absolute care and understanding is grotesque, you would stoop to such a level as to make shit up to defend your 'dual'.

I definitely know you dont have experience with them now as this simply isnt true, those elements are ignoring and demonstrative for them; positioning DOES matter and it CERTAINLY does not manifest the way you claim with them IRL.

your attack on vero for being Fi PoLR is also cheap as fuck. you just figured out your type after like, what, 5 years? not only that, I guarantee you STILL have yourself mistyped.

cant even type yourself in a quadra, I seriously suggest you shut your mouth before more idocy spills out.

[1981slater]

I'm sure paella is 100000000 times better than THAT pizza. However it's probably on par with this pizza:

[1981slater]

BEST GAME EVER

AT 1:15 you'll see a pizza time, but not a paella time
Italy1-0 Spain

[1981slater]

2:03

Triple pizza time

[Rubicon]

lol There's a RAKE in the frying pan!

[Rubicon]

fwiw, I think Fabio's pizza looks delicious..

+1 !

[Jarno]

Since this is the misidentified thread, can anyone tell me if I am completely delusional or that something weird is going on:

Archon: Fake ILI
Huitzipilotzy: Fake ILI
Polikujm: Fake ILI
Ayxelsid: True ILI pretending to be not true
Crazedrat: True ILI pretending to be not true

Sure crazedrat can be debated, but the rest... wtf?

[Jarno]

The recent IEI thing was a joke.

yes that's what most people say when they suddenly find out they are wrong.

But since it was close to april fools day, I buy it.

[717495]

Since this is the misidentified thread, can anyone tell me if I am completely delusional or that something weird is going on:

Archon: Fake ILI
Huitzipilotzy: Fake ILI
Polikujm: Fake ILI
Ayxelsid: True ILI pretending to be not true
Crazedrat: True ILI pretending to be not true

Sure crazedrat can be debated, but the rest... wtf?

So far I can't find any reason why you would be ILI, so I'm surprised you'd know enough about me to be confident about my type. You might just be delusional. Though seriously:

I have a hunch that you probably use stereotypical kind of descriptions instead of the information elements, to type on here? You would not know Fe vs Fi unless you pay attention to how we interact and where our attention goes, so unless you can elaborate at a basic 3rd grade level, there will never be a discussion. It's fairly hard to tell for most on the internet, even with all the emoticons, such as: :frown: :redface: , which is why people just throw misconstrued ideas out of nowhere without knowing anything of which they're speaking of, and I never really get to hear an argument. Then they associate a kind of playful emotion to go along with my comments, and badabing, you have yourself an Fe valuer. Sure, this type of thinking is ludicrous and diminishes everything about socionics. Yet in reality, I don't see you more serious and Fe-PoLR than I am, unless I meet you and turn out very wrong. So when you get down to it, everyone is BSing about others, no one can take each other seriously if the information is corrupt. I've been well aware of this since the beginning, well, some time now. I see you as lighter, casual, more in tune with others and the flow of socializing, not really awkward enough for being an NT, not serious enough, and someone who uses some stereotypes to type himself/herself as ILI, and can't really elaborate on anything relevant to socionics. I think you're one of the more mature on this forum, so you don't come across as "bored," and that's why people take you seriously. However, from my estimation, you have not proven yourself, and could not probably do so from such an inappropriate venue.

[Creepy-Pied Piper]

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[Creepy-cinq]

You confirm that what I said about you is true: you take everything politically, that's you are and will always be a piteous amateur in Socionics. You see all this typing stuff as staying true to your 'personality'.

Go back to your corner and don't judge people who had the courage to confront their earlier mistakes to be able to review what was wrong along the time. If Huitz is ILI, that doesn't fucking depend on anything he or someone else said before! Stay the hell back because people who can think for themselves don't give a shit about your false accusations.

For all of the Vero bashing and hatred you spew, it reminds me of someone who is unable to confront the plain fact they they are attracted to the person they supposedly hate, and vehemently denies the attraction... a bit like a young boy who show's affection by punching the girl in the head.

I think you secretly wish you could have a girlfriend like her - strong, intelligent, and unphased by your infantile and obstinate actions. In fact, I look forward to next year as I intuit you'll come to realize this and admit it you undying attraction to her.

[ArchonAlarion]

Since this is the misidentified thread, can anyone tell me if I am completely delusional or that something weird is going on:

Archon: Fake ILI
Huitzipilotzy: Fake ILI
Polikujm: Fake ILI
Ayxelsid: True ILI pretending to be not true
Crazedrat: True ILI pretending to be not true

Sure crazedrat can be debated, but the rest... wtf?

Not only are you delusional, but something weird is most certainly going on (Probably because you're delusional).

Have a delightful day full of debauchery and Slug biscuits.

[The Exception]

I saw a pizza ad on the highway that looked like the moon. Its condiments basically looked made up of a few blotches of rotten milk and egg.

I prefer pizza pizza.

Has anyone tried Dominoe's Thanksgiving Feast Pizza?

[Creepy-Pied Piper]

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