What's My Type? WWT

[Wrong Way Ticket]

Hey all.

For a long time I've been fairly sure that I was IEE. However recent self analysis and observing other so-called IEEs has resulted in me being not so sure.

The types I've generally considered as possible if not entirely plausible are:

• SEE
• ILE
• EIE

However in this thread Pinocchio posited that I could be LIE. Which I, despite my hostility towards Pinocchio in that thread, found interesting.

So I definitely want some external opinions. As I'm definitely not sold on IEE anymore.

I don't consider myself adept at typing people. So I can't really scrutinise my real life dealings with others. Unfortunate as I think would be the real tell.

A little bit about me: I currently work for myself as a developer / designer. Mainly web development. I specialise in the coding and the aesthetics. But I'll be moving out of this as I'm finding the work/reward (ie money) ratio is tipped too far to the work side. Not that I don't love the work but have definitely found myself to be driven (long term) by the reward side.

Currently I'm on major burn out, having worked the last two years pretty much 12-14 hours a day. So much so that it's just recently compromised my immune system. Doc says I need to take it easy for a couple months, which I won't do. Heh.

I've constantly jumped from one job to another and have always put in huge amounts of work. I love coming up with new project ideas but am always driven to improve old ones. I've stayed in the same general industry however I've used each job (usually outside of my assigned responsibility) to improve and gain experience on new aspects of it. I always leave once I've exhausted all possibilities; rarely do I have the patience to wait for promotions and instead "trade up" to another company.

I'm not a particularly neat person but can & do force myself. Though honestly if I didn't bring people back to my place I would probably be a lot slacker. I can become a bit of a slob when depressed.

Romantically I can identify with both victim and infantile, and can't really decide which one accurately describes my "romantic style."

I think I dress pretty well. Look damn good in a suit.

Rarely do groups of friends (but unfortunately it can be a bit of a necessity) -- instead preferring the company of one or two friends. In saying that, I love being the outsider in new groups, most often preferring to be new in a large group of people. I definitely enjoy that dynamic.

That's all I've got for now. Any opinions/flames would be appreciated.

[EDIT] This was posted at 3am, so please ignore any typos I may have made.

[Jarno]

I've not read much of you.

So at this point my opinion is nearly useless, but you seem EJ temperament. That leaves LIE and EIE. Since they both have a different leading function, the only thing we need to know now is are you Logical/business like, getting the task done, or do you focus on people, leading groups, getting angry at them if they don't behave as they should etc.

edit: Oke read your post again. EIE have a great talent in typing others, which you claim not to have. I'm starting to think that pinochio is onto something. You seem focussed on job hopping and money instead on colleagues, which is more typical for LIE's. So at this moment my bet is on LIE, but with low certainty.

[Wrong Way Ticket]

edit: Oke read your post again. EIE have a great talent in typing others, which you claim not to have. I'm starting to think that pinochio is onto something. You seem focussed on job hopping and money instead on colleagues, which is more typical for LIE's. So at this moment my bet is on LIE, but with low certainty.

I make friends very easily with work colleagues, but honestly don't see them as "essential" (best word I could come up with) I've put up with lazy coworkers many times, only kicking their ass when it gets extreme. My talent lies in developing & improving procedures and have actually built my career on designing workflow tools (web apps) to streamline processes.

The only time I can recall getting really angry has almost always been directed at upper management for making incompetent decisions and trying to put in practise ridiculous/pointless procedures or unnecessary policies. I've gone to war over things like that.

I like working with people but not for them. If that makes sense.

I definitely relate more with LIE than EIE.

[Creepy-male]

But I'll be moving out of this as I'm finding the work/reward (ie money) ratio is tipped too far to the work side. Not that I don't love the work but have definitely found myself to be driven (long term) by the reward side.

Se/Ni over Si/Ne I think. Judicious types are driven by personal reward and comfortable conditions over material gain. Even if a lot of JuJu's typings can be nonsensical, I think he made an excellent comment about Se/Ni: it's a culture of big dreams and extravagant consumption.

Currently I'm on major burn out, having worked the last two years pretty much 12-14 hours a day. So much so that it's just recently compromised my immune system. Doc says I need to take it easy for a couple months, which I won't do. Heh.

Devalued and restricted Si. A Ne base would respond well to having to take it easy, we just have serious issues actually doing that, as well as a bad habit of abusing our bodies due to negligence stemming from not understanding them well at all. This is my personal experience, at any rate.

I've constantly jumped from one job to another and have always put in huge amounts of work. I love coming up with new project ideas but am always driven to improve old ones. I've stayed in the same general industry however I've used each job (usually outside of my assigned responsibility) to improve and gain experience on new aspects of it. I always leave once I've exhausted all possibilities; rarely do I have the patience to wait for promotions and instead "trade up" to another company.

This sounds very much like Te dominance. In addition, LIEs are known as "Entrepreneur" or "Experimenter" due to their willingness to tinker with methods to achieve their goals as efficiently as possible. Te base is also associated with diligence and willingness to proactively work for your goals (while Te creative I understand is more about not wasting energy or restricting activity... something which Te HAs are in dire need of ).

I think I dress pretty well. Look damn good in a suit

My friend, even I look fine in a suit. They're designed that way.

My talent lies in developing & improving procedures and have actually built my career on designing workflow tools (web apps) to streamline processes.

This sounds like Te again.

The only time I can recall getting really angry has almost always been directed at upper management for making incompetent decisions and trying to put in practise ridiculous/pointless procedures or unnecessary policies. I've gone to war over things like that.

"You're doing my base function wrong--it should be really obvious and I'm really confident I'm evaluating this correctly."

I definitely relate more with LIE than EIE.

As you can see, I think what you posted bleeds Te, so I would agree with you here.

[Wrong Way Ticket]

Interesting.

Are there any decent type descriptions for LIE?

[crazedrat]

LIE is plausible.

[Wrong Way Ticket]

Se/Ni over Si/Ne I think. Judicious types are driven by personal reward and comfortable conditions over material gain. Even if a lot of JuJu's typings can be nonsensical, I think he made an excellent comment about Se/Ni: it's a culture of big dreams and extravagant consumption.

Just reading over this again. I've definitely always had "big dreams," from as early as I can remember I've held the belief (and expressed it) that I'm going to be rich by 30. Hah.

[Creepy-male]

Just reading over this again. I've definitely always had "big dreams," from as early as I can remember I've held the belief (and expressed it) that I'm going to be rich by 30. Hah.

Yes, compared to the Guls and the Ishas of the world who are quite content doing what they're good at and gives them personal satisfaction.

[Marie84]

Do you feel that you're lacking but in need of Fi or Si?

[silverchris9]

LIE sounds right. Getting very angry over practical matters as opposed to interpersonal matters points away from EIE, imo (who would be more likely to locate the offense in an interpersonal source/reason even if the offense arose because of a practical disagreement).

Currently I'm on major burn out, having worked the last two years pretty much 12-14 hours a day. So much so that it's just recently compromised my immune system. Doc says I need to take it easy for a couple months, which I won't do. Heh.

Sounds Si superego > Si superid. Do you get annoyed when people tell you to stop working so hard and focus on your body's needs? Does it feel like needed, helpful advice, or unnecessary, annoying distraction?

Rarely do groups of friends (but unfortunately it can be a bit of a necessity) -- instead preferring the company of one or two friends. In saying that, I love being the outsider in new groups, most often preferring to be new in a large group of people. I definitely enjoy that dynamic.

Hmmm... the first part sounds gamma, but the fact that you love being the outsider in groups does not sound LIE, sounds more SEE. But there could be all sorts of factors accounting for that.

Do you have any type guesses for people who are close to you?

[Jarno]

Do you feel that you're lacking but in need of Fi or Si?

this is not something that you can easy see in yourself.
unreliable method.

[Jarno]

What surprises me, is when the LIE typing would be correct, how a LIE can mistake himself for being an ethical type.

[Marie84]

this is not something that you can easy see in yourself.
unreliable method.

It's still worth analyzing your perceived strengths and weaknesses

[Jarno]

It's still worth analyzing your perceived strengths and weaknesses

formulated like this it makes more sense.

now you're making more of a dichotomy from it, which is easyer to choose from.

[Wrong Way Ticket]

Do you feel that you're lacking but in need of Fi or Si?

To be honest, I can't be sure. In regards to Si, I can only relate it insofar as the state I keep my apartment in. It's not of any concern to me at all, but I try to keep it in a good state more so for visitors and the like. I keep my apartment welcoming for other people. I've lived in some pretty crappy apartments and it's never bothered me. When I moved into my current place, I had my crap strewn about everywhere, it wasn't a concern to me until I knew other people were going to see it. I'm not sure whether that's a need for Si. But yes I'm definitely lacking.

I only started to really doubt my IEE typing when I got more of a grasp of Fi and how it supposedly relates to IEEs. Which I'm coming to terms with not relating to at all. I'm good at making friends and the ones that last have aspects of Fi. I don't think I'm good at maintaining close relations with people. I rarely share my feelings about people, although shamefully enough I sometimes imagine the conversations in my head, which is kind of weird. These conversations rarely happen, and even rarer they're initiated by me.

So yes, I'm lacking in both. As objectively as I can I suspect I desire Fi more. But it's hard to be that objective considering the subject matter, especially as this is probably the first time I've really considered it directly.

Sounds Si superego > Si superid. Do you get annoyed when people tell you to stop working so hard and focus on your body's needs? Does it feel like needed, helpful advice, or unnecessary, annoying distraction?

I find it mildly irritating. How can I relax or take it easy when I have so much to do? When I have x deadline that I'm busting my ass to achieve, the thought of deliberately "taking it easy" is stressful as I'm just making my life harder in the long run (for example, 4 days until deadline, instead of 5.) There's quite a few people who like to tell me that I need to take it easy, sleep better, "take care of myself" better. I don't see it as helpful and disregard it pretty quickly, as I told my doctor: it's not going to happen.

Hmmm... the first part sounds gamma, but the fact that you love being the outsider in groups does not sound LIE, sounds more SEE. But there could be all sorts of factors accounting for that.

Outsider was probably the wrong term. And by large, I really mean about 15 people max, lol. As long as they're the right type of people. It could also be the way I'm feeling at the moment as I've neglected my social life over the last year, so I've started to force myself to meet new people and to focus on making friends with similarly ambitious & interesting people.

Do you have any type guesses for people who are close to you?

No typings I'm very confident of. I suspect my father is LII. I'm also 80% positive my ex is ESE [Edit: I had LSE here, but I meant to put ESE]. Which is probably the most confident I've ever been about my "typings" of others. [Another edit] After thinking about this a little bit more, I'm very confident that she is ESE, this would make her the first person who is close to me that I've put in the energy to determine her type, even though it was fairly obvious to me. We have a good friendship but did not make a good couple.

What surprises me, is when the LIE typing would be correct, how a LIE can mistake himself for being an ethical type.

If I have indeed mistaken it, it would possibly be because I've confused manners and tact with, for lack of a better word, ethicalness. I always thought I was a people person because I've always gotten on with people. But in retrospect I don't think I've ever been good at actual closeness. If that is relevant and/or makes sense.

[silverchris9]

To be honest, I can't be sure. In regards to Si, I can only relate it insofar as the state I keep my apartment in. It's not of any concern to me at all, but I try to keep it in a good state more so for visitors and the like. I keep my apartment welcoming for other people. I've lived in some pretty crappy apartments and it's never bothered me. When I moved into my current place, I had my crap strewn about everywhere, it wasn't a concern to me until I knew other people were going to see it. I'm not sure whether that's a need for Si. But yes I'm definitely lacking.

Nothing you've said points to Si valuing, much less Si dual-seeking. I'm pretty confident in a vote of Si superego, LIE being most likely of those types (LIE, ILI, EIE, IEI).

I only started to really doubt my IEE typing when I got more of a grasp of Fi and how it supposedly relates to IEEs. Which I'm coming to terms with not relating to at all. I'm good at making friends and the ones that last have aspects of Fi, to a point. I don't think I'm good at maintaining close relations with people. I rarely share my feelings about people, although shamefully enough I sometimes imagine the conversations in my head, which is kind of weird. These conversations rarely happen, and even rarer they're initiated by me.

hahaha. I do that too. Possibly Ni related, but probably not type related at all.

So yes, I'm lacking in both. As objectively as I can I suspect I desire Fi more. But it's hard to be that objective considering the subject matter, especially as this is probably the first time I've really considered it directly.

Here's a question. Do you prefer people who are clear about their emotions at the moment (big expression on their face or some such), or people who don't necessarily wear their emotions on their face, but have strong emotional attachments regardless of how they express their emotions externally?

I find it mildly irritating. How can I relax or take it easy when I have so much to do? When I have x deadline that I'm busting my ass to achieve, the thought of deliberately "taking it easy" is stressful as I'm just making my life harder in the long run (for example, 4 days until deadline, instead of 5.) There's quite a few people who like to tell me that I need to take it easy, sleep better, "take care of myself" better. I don't see it as helpful and disregard it pretty quickly, as I told my doctor: it's not going to happen.

This also sounds Si superego, and I relate to it.

Outsider was probably the wrong term. And by large, I really mean about 15 people max, lol. As long as they're the right type of people. It could also be the way I'm feeling at the moment as I've neglected my social life over the last year, so I've started to force myself to meet new people and to focus on making friends with similarly ambitious & interesting people.

Huh. I dunno. I mean, that sounds somewhat Fe, or at least F > T, but it's probably just a human thing, insofar as most people like to meet people that are similar to them, interesting, etc.

No typings I'm very confident of. I suspect my father is LII. I'm also 80% positive my ex is SEI [Edit: I had LSE here, but I meant to put SEI]. Which is probably the most confident I've ever been about my "typings" of others.

Hmmm... alright. That's hard to type from, except perhaps the ex. How long did you date, and how did it go? Because it would be odd to be in a positive relationship with a conflictor for a very long time.

[Wrong Way Ticket]

Hmmm... alright. That's hard to type from, except perhaps the ex. How long did you date, and how did it go? Because it would be odd to be in a positive relationship with a conflictor for a very long time.

I messed this up. As I had a rethink about her type I felt the need to reanalyse it. I haphazardly editted in SEI and quickly realised my mistake (I thought I'd gotten to it quick enough to not have to point it out. I was wrong.) The best way to describe our relationship is "constant subtle misunderstanding," ie. we weren't on the same wave length most of the time.

[crazedrat]

the way you talk is LIE

[Wrong Way Ticket]

Here's a question. Do you prefer people who are clear about their emotions at the moment (big expression on their face or some such), or people who don't necessarily wear their emotions on their face, but have strong emotional attachments regardless of how they express their emotions externally?

The latter. I'm trying to think about my reactions to external expressions of emotion. It depends on the emotion. External expression of happiness can be fun. Other more intense emotions I find it slightly confusing how to react to. Do I mirror it or simple acknowledge it? Slightly awkward if not confused.

Huh. I dunno. I mean, that sounds somewhat Fe, or at least F > T, but it's probably just a human thing, insofar as most people like to meet people that are similar to them, interesting, etc.

Yeah, I think I'm having difficulty explaining myself here. In the past I've generally just had people around. Unless I actively dislike someone, their company doesn't bother me, this may be a bit of a duh, but in other words I've never been particularly discerning about the people I've spent time with, as long as we get along. But I'm trying to hang around more "like minded" people who enjoy the kind of conversations I like to have, which has been one of the biggest challenges I've really had. Most people tend to shy away from intense conversations about politics, economics, etc. Which I've just lived with. It's easier to find more like-minded people in new groups. Or at the very least not bore my nearest & dearest too often.

[silverchris9]

Yeah, I think I'm having difficulty explaining myself here. In the past I've generally just had people around. Unless I actively dislike someone, their company doesn't bother me, this may be a bit of a duh, but in other words I've never been particularly discerning about the people I've spent time with, as long as we get along. But I'm trying to hang around more "like minded" people who enjoy the kind of conversations I like to have, which has been one of the biggest challenges I've really had. Most people tend to shy away from intense conversations about politics, economics, etc. Which I've just lived with. It's easier to find more like-minded people in new groups. Or at the very least not bore my nearest & dearest too often.

Nah, you're expressing yourself fine, in my opinion. From what you've said in this thread, I'd be fairly confident in typing you LIE. You sound Fe role too so there's more evidence.

Also, you seem cool. I can relate about the conversations about politics and such, although I would sub in philosophy and literature for politics and economics. Good luck finding more like-minded people.

[Wrong Way Ticket]

Creative or dominant; obviously one of the things we mention about ourselves first are the things we are confident about and take pride in...ISTP/ ESTJ most likely ISTP

No.

[FDG]

Best way to get typed as LIE -> say you have worked 32432432 hours a day in the past 324324324 years and now you're on a major burnout

But ahah well except from this, you could totally be LIE. ENT-something is the best fit from how you describe yourself.

[Jarno]

If I have indeed mistaken it, it would possibly be because I've confused manners and tact with, for lack of a better word, ethicalness. I always thought I was a people person because I've always gotten on with people. But in retrospect I don't think I've ever been good at actual closeness. If that is relevant and/or makes sense.

yeah, it's often confusing. Ethical and Extraverts are both people focussed.

So introverts might think they are extravert when they are an ethical type.
And extraverts might think they are ethical, when it's just their extraversion...