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Conflict relations: ENTp Tom Green vs. ISFj
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lol, that guy is an ISFj? you sure?
(D)IEE~FI-(C)SLE~Ni E-5w4(Sp/Sx)/7w8(So/Sp)/9w1(sp/sx)
Originally Posted by Jarno
yeah pretty sure. you can take that interaction and sort of mix it around, and that's the exact interaction I have with my mom constantly. here's another ISFj getting pissed at him:
Last edited by crazedrat; 12-03-2009 at 10:48 AM.
i always thought andrew dice clay was an estp.
but now i think you're on to something crazedrat. that behavior is exactly MALE isfj. for sure.
Last edited by Blaze; 12-03-2009 at 11:21 AM.
ILE
those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
Honestly, I thought he was an ESTp based on that video. I don't know anything about him before that.
I would type the guy Tom Green is messing around with in the second video as ESTj.
Last edited by 07490; 12-03-2009 at 11:58 AM.
(D)IEE~FI-(C)SLE~Ni E-5w4(Sp/Sx)/7w8(So/Sp)/9w1(sp/sx)
the interaction goes nowhere though. exactly like conflict relations. they both just keep saying the same things over and over. plus dice clay gets tom green on the Fi...the whole thing about when green touched his arm. dice clay takes this as some kind of boundary affront...estp wouldn't do this. estp wouldn't cause so much friction or need to try to "win" against green.
i've seen this type of behaviors with male ESI's...they are much more forceful than female ESI's. and that ethical maneuver, playing like some kind of victim, is exactly what ESI does. *shudder*
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those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
yep, he is PRETENDING to be an ESTP. But's he isn't a real one...
Who the hell are you!?
I'm myself!
lmao. Stumped him.
Geezer in the video is LSI? (and a shame to LSIs.) Supervision always wins.
no. don't spread your confusion.
Can I call you Ms. Type, or do you prefer maddam?
LOL, well-put..! Dice is Se leading.
This is an ESI (Jim Nance
This is another ESI (Troy Aikman
This is another ESI (Lester Holt
Thanks for letting me know that I'm not crazy, Juju.
(D)IEE~FI-(C)SLE~Ni E-5w4(Sp/Sx)/7w8(So/Sp)/9w1(sp/sx)
Currently, many people are typing off of erroneous benchmarks... There's a lot of confusion in the English-speaking Socionics community b/c of this.
Don't blame Gilly... There is NO accurate Socionics benchmark photo gallery yet... (I'd like to put one up, but I don't know anything about web-programming... If anyone does know anything about web-programming, and is interested, please contact me... In PMs, the subject has come up, but I'd like to see some action...)
Socionix' benchmark galleries--currently the most extensive--have A LOT of errors. (ESI--the type suggested for Andrew Dice Cla here--is almost totally incorrect.)
The bottom line is that many people type off of benchmarks--and when the benchmarks are wrong--it's likely that one comes up with the wrong type, as here.
The most accurate way I've found of typing people is difficult and time-consuming to learn... It entails learning what expressed manifestations of the IM elements look like... (Currently, there are very few people in the English-speaking Socionics community who are able to do this accurately.) For those who haven't yet put in that sort of time, benchmarks work well... But only if you have the right benchmarks.
Last edited by JuJu; 12-04-2009 at 06:48 PM.
I feel like I was much more confident figuring out Socionics with no outside Influences before I read this forum. The more I read this forum the more confused I am, and Doubts that I have. I am not saying I am always right but this forum can crumble and mislead my understanding of socionics. Which leads me backward, and has definity done more harm than good. After all, I think socionic isn't really that hard if you don't over analyst it.
(D)IEE~FI-(C)SLE~Ni E-5w4(Sp/Sx)/7w8(So/Sp)/9w1(sp/sx)
people gender is huge. huge huge in type expression. so huge, in fact, that there are separate male and female type descriptions. somebody took substantial time and effort to get that done...why? because they felt it was incredibly important.
when we think of Fi (or Fe for that matter) i bet a female image comes to mind, since there is greater social expectation that women should be ethically oriented. whether real women actually are ethically oriented is beside the point; obviously there are many logically oriented women who live under this social expectation every day. when we think of Fi, i am quite sure we are prone to think about how women express ethics, as if that is the only way to do so.
males who are ethical live under the social expectation that men should be logical, as all men do. or that men should be tough. that men should be leaders. so, consequently, men who are ethical are going to express their ethics differently than females would. they're going to give ethics a "male spin" so to speak.
what we see here with andrew dice clay (ADC hereforth), is precisely that. it is easy to interpret his behavior if we assume he is Fi leading. Fi leading would pick up on feelings of attraction and repulsion immediately, since it's in the leading position. ok so tom green touches ADC on the arm. ADC doesn't like tom green. he thinks "can't tom green see that i don't like him and he doesn't like me? why would somebody touch somebody who they don't like except to pick a fight with them? to express dislike?" so he fucks with tom green about it. he does it using Se, extraverted function. since ADC is an introvert, his primary mode of extraversion is Se. plus he's male. plus he's trying to act like his SLE persona...so he uses Se.
do you notice how the green thing with pins stuck in it goes absolutely nowhere? it's because ADC is Ne polr. he has no use for such alpha chicanery. he doesn't get it. (i can picture many guests who would love that green pin thing...and many conditions where this would be humorous).
he really surprises tom green, who intends no offense. and tom green is completely rattled. tom green tries repeatedly to reassure ADC, since he can see that ADC is offended. but it goes nowhere. well not hard to understand. with Fi polr, tom green has no idea that ADC doesn't like him or that he doesn't like ADC. tom green simply can't feel the relational vibes unless ADC spells it out in that nasty forceful way he does.
having said all this, i am here to re-state that i know several ESI males IRL who use FiSe in this dramatic forceful kind of way, minus the SLE mockery. i have not seen ESI women do this. not saying it can't happen (somebody mentions Allie here) but i just haven't seen it.
finally, again. this is CLASSIC ILE-ESI CONFLICT RELATION.
finally, i agree with gilly: SLE would be nothing like that. since SLE also has Fi polr. and, further, that parody that ADC is doing of SLE is based on stereotype, a stereotype that some find funny, but that ultimately is deeply offensive. not a big surprise since ADC is the supervisor of SLE.
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those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
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