I think I've become one of those people who avoids holidays but doesn't particularly want to, it's just become easier to do so :/
I think I've become one of those people who avoids holidays but doesn't particularly want to, it's just become easier to do so :/
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
UGH. please become a traditional type who participates and plans holidays like LSE do.Originally Posted by UDP
thank you It makes sense that you being an introvert and hermitic like tendencies of SLI would make you not seem and act like LSE who in fact merrily participate in large social gatherings
"He is not much interested in people, but friendship is very important for him, moreover, he does not shy from participating in large social gatherings. Especially if the group gathers according to some tradition or holiday, such as birthday, anniversary, international women's day or a recurrent fishing trip. "
LMAO
When will you marry my IEE friend?
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Trends and expectations you're expected to but would rather not have to meet?
I like the holidays for their purpose of reuniting and bringing people together (and for the days off, of course), but a part of me always feels empty and disappointed by the shallow interactions that are too often found in these holiday related festivities, but too seldom encouraging of the opportunity to do something constructive or bond with people on a deeper level.
At the same time she'll marry me. Which is quite likely to be never, I think.LMAO
When will you marry my IEE friend?
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Nonesense. By the way she's starting her own business in design.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I broke up with my bf today. He has too much drama and is not ready for a relationship. I'm back to dating again for the one.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
My ESE best friend said something very sweet today as we walked together on a little hike. She said that one of the reasons she really likes having me as a friend is that she can feel so much herself around me. She said she's a people-pleaser and picks up on and matches her energy to those she's around. Because I'm calm and steady, she feels she can relax and be whatever she really is inside. (This relates back to my previous posts about my lack of overt emotiveness.)
Oh, to find you in dreams - mixing prior, analog, and never-beens... facts slip and turn and change with little lucidity. except the strong, permeating reality of emotion.
So glad!
"A man with a definite belief always appears bizarre, because he does not change with the world; he has climbed into a fixed star, and the earth whizzes below him like a zoetrope."
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"Having a clear faith, based on the creed of the Church, is often labeled today as fundamentalism... Whereas relativism, which is letting oneself be tossed and swept along
by every wind of teaching, looks like the only
attitude acceptable to today's standards." - Pope Benedict the XVI, "The Dictatorship of Relativism"
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I wonder what life is like without mood swings you have no control over because your moods are created and shaped by external influences. And with the ability to create your own emotional stability. And with being content with your life and enjoy stability without feeling antsy and not constantly wondering about what you could do next, where you could live next, where you could travel to next, what other projects you could start and what other careers you should try out. #feelingrestless
“Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.”
― Anais Nin
I feel like modern men don't want to ascribe to traditional life. Why would they need to when they can have women like toys and play with them too.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
People can be racist and sexist all they want to be but then you can't infringe on other people's rights to treat them like they're are backwoods ignorant for doing it and calling them out on it. It works both ways. Are you saying it is important for you personally to be a racist and you are afraid to admit it because you are pc? I wasn't quite sure if you were alluding to that or talking generally.I think modern society contributes a lot to this. People aren't allowed to have any opinions that society deems 'not conducive', for instance, you can't be racist, can't not agree with sleeping around, not allowed to want revenge, not allowed to dislike someone.
All these things are like thought and action police infringing on peoples freedom. Infact people can not really do or think anything today that's important. The best they can do is promote the system or do something trivial like dye their hair for a while. And we all know people like all animals typically don't do well when there is excessive rules or captivity.
Also the rules have got so complicated that you can't do right for doing wrong, leading to guilt and paralysis and a mindset where it's really hard to be a peace with oneself.
But, hey it'll be OK
I would argue that if someone has opinions that are unpopular and are afraid to share then their opinions might not be that strong or important to begin with I personally prefer to know the type of person I am dealing with than have their opinions hidden on issues they consider important. My friends make ignorant remarks all the time but I notice they have changed over time and broadened their perspectives.
I feel free to dislike many people but it is usually a waste of energy to actively dislike someone so I let the feeling of dislike pass and then focus my energy on important things.
This guy has the right frame of mind and perspective. He accepted their right to stomp on a flag even though it bothered him. I respect him even though to me a flag is just a piece of fabric. It may be a symbol but it is not supposed to be more important than the freedom it supposed to stand for.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
Except in the end it leaves them so unhappy and unfulfilled. They need to be saved from themselves.
Oops, editing to add, I'm not advising to save them... because that depends on their will, which is the real determination, and if they don't will to be different, they aren't changing...
"A man with a definite belief always appears bizarre, because he does not change with the world; he has climbed into a fixed star, and the earth whizzes below him like a zoetrope."
........ G. ........... K. ............... C ........ H ........ E ...... S ........ T ...... E ........ R ........ T ........ O ........ N ........
"Having a clear faith, based on the creed of the Church, is often labeled today as fundamentalism... Whereas relativism, which is letting oneself be tossed and swept along
by every wind of teaching, looks like the only
attitude acceptable to today's standards." - Pope Benedict the XVI, "The Dictatorship of Relativism"
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That's a very well-expressed sentiment.
"A man with a definite belief always appears bizarre, because he does not change with the world; he has climbed into a fixed star, and the earth whizzes below him like a zoetrope."
........ G. ........... K. ............... C ........ H ........ E ...... S ........ T ...... E ........ R ........ T ........ O ........ N ........
"Having a clear faith, based on the creed of the Church, is often labeled today as fundamentalism... Whereas relativism, which is letting oneself be tossed and swept along
by every wind of teaching, looks like the only
attitude acceptable to today's standards." - Pope Benedict the XVI, "The Dictatorship of Relativism"
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I know no other way than modern living but living in the distant past seems like it would have been more stressful for me personally.
Thanks for clarifying. I didn't want to debate politics but I could not tell in your other post if you were for or against what you were talking about.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
Are you LSE?What Eliza said too.
I also seen the same thing happen with friends, so many people now have buddies to do something with, but what I see as true friendship, someone who you can talk to about what's important to you or personal stuff, or someone you can rely on, that's becoming harder to find. Ergo Facebook which should really be called acquaintances rather than devaluing the word friend.
Ha, the world, but we'll be OK
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I figured. Thank you for cheering me up
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I've heard this from a variety of extrotims about 9s, particularly of late of ESE and IEEs, 2s and even 6s.
I can confirm you are generally a non-meddling kind of person, mhm.
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
chess saga
I've been loosing lately because I've been playing against the computer and it learns my strategies and uses them against me. Yesterday I moved the pawn infront of the King clearing the way for the queen, after the opponent moved the pawn in front of the King. Then, I moved the queen to the far left. i took the opponent's first pawn and the second pawn that was moved from in front of their queen with my queen. this second pawn took my first pawn. ☺️
I'm the black pieces
it was a good strategy to move the queen to the left and ignor it being taken
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Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Mhm
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
I will go to Mexico City and hang out, go to museums, go out, drink lots of margaritas, speak bad Spanish, dance bad salsa with a hot stranger in a public square, eat lots of seafood, buy adorable dresses and shoes, go to the Frida Kahlo museum, bask in the sun, and think to myself "fuck all the drama." Because I can and it's what I do best.
“Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.”
― Anais Nin
And all without me
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Meet me there!And all without me
“Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.”
― Anais Nin
It's only Tuesday. Ah. What will I do and when? Anyone want to organize my activities?
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Maritsa I type You SEE confirm and final for your liking to gather data check facts (Se) and use forms of social manipulation
This sentence is Se
You are relating an object to an object.
My ESE sister texts me "I'm dying"
My stomach clenched in pain, my chest and heart beat go up
I text her "what?"
She says "I need cream puffs and macaroons"
I relax a little and wonder how she can raise my worries so fast raise my emotional alertness and create drama with one out of the blue ttextIng try to relax internally as I still feel the stress and I text her back "I'll get you some today"
She says "good I need it"
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Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
@yen yes LSE is fast and quick because they factor information in to reach a conclusion for action, the right action while LSI have to think of all the information all the steps and sometimes reiterated that then act. Their Se wants details for the purpose of inspection. Therefore the "Inspector" archetype. Don't let this bother your need to act
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Post as much or as little as you like.I know shyness isn't socionics type related.
But this is my second time post something at lounge, and it feels like, watching people log in and log out, walking around, studying Socionics, or talk about anything.
And my heart just said to me, "Why you are just sit here? Go and enjoy this forum."
Yes, I actually enjoy being something invisible and unexplainable here.
Oh, to find you in dreams - mixing prior, analog, and never-beens... facts slip and turn and change with little lucidity. except the strong, permeating reality of emotion.
I just discovered Mahalia Jackson.
Oh, to find you in dreams - mixing prior, analog, and never-beens... facts slip and turn and change with little lucidity. except the strong, permeating reality of emotion.
I JUST GOT A MACBOOK AIR FINALLY
I've had two Mac computers. My first was an Apple Macintosh that lasted 10 years; my second was a MacBook Pro that lasted another 10 years; say welcome to my third computer
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Sounds pretty great, Kim. I'm happy for you, and hope things work out.
From the way you describe him, he might be an ILI. They like food, have strong Ni, and can be Peacemakers. If he is ILI, you might be in a Mirage relationship, just as I am. And despite the bad rep that Mirage has, I think it can be pretty sweet.
I will admit, though, there have been times when I was ready to call it quits over disparate goals and needs. (She probably was, too.) When I felt like that, I just suspended judgement for a while, and things surprisingly got better.
I wish you both the best of luck.
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@Penny
From his picture and what you have told me so far, ILI is not a bad typing for him.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
@Penny.
One other thing. I have spent most of my life around both SLI's (father, ex-wife, son) and ILI's (best friend since Jr High, financial advisor, coworkers, etc) and so I flatter myself that I know them both pretty well. I also know four IEE's (three females, one male), for reference.
If your guy is ILI, he is a Victim, and is going to look at you as a worthy queen, or his lady, whom he will serve. (Take a look at End's recent posts for more on this.)
This is very different from the way an SLI caretaker views their IEE duals. According to the SLI's I have known, their duals are fun to be around, but IEE's spend money recklessly and are completely flakey, which they find very hard to put up with.
Connection is hard, but it is worth working for.
@End 's preferences are not representative of a typical ILI though. He has a bit of fetish going on but I still think he is ILI.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
@Aylen, I agree with your comments about @End. I'm pretty sure he is ILI, and he seems to be surprisingly candid on here, more than a typical ILI would reveal. Probably, irl, he'd look perfectly normal. Conservative-appearing, even. Very button-down and logical, get the job done right with a minimum of fuss and errors.
However, one thing he seems to share with all the ILI's I know irl, is his very strong attraction to extroverted party girls. He's probably also super-tolerant of crazy female behavior, and is probably really good at managing his finances.
This is true. I was in that phase of life when I was in a relationship with an ILI and we had lots of crazy/risky adventures in the beginning. The problem though was his jealousy when I used Fe around other men so he slowly locked me away. I was fine with it for a long time. I was kind of trained for an ILI relationship by observing, rebelling and finally adjusting (as much as I could) to my stepdad so I toned down Fe around him and others. It lasted longer than any relationship but in the end was pretty stagnant since we were both introverts and there is only so much reading philosophy to each other, in bed, over tea, that one can do. After all the partying we had one amazing introverted philosophical year, where were were enamored with each other, while shutting the outside world out (he had money to do this). Then we moved and both started looking for excitement elsewhere. I think it might be easier for an IEE to inspire them to get out of their heads and go out into the world to experience new things. He could not help me when I got apathetic and I think it made him more apathetic towards people. I would get over it rather quickly but he would stay stuck in apathy.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
His comments about culture are very contraflow and Social blindspot, IMO. But again, this is just my impression.
Sis are you talking about End? I think he is a bit different than a lot of ILI but I am not sure if he is that similar to LII. He is unique but something about his tone, in my head, makes me hear him in the voices of ILI I know. Neither were into fantasy like End but there is a familiar tone.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
quick, whirlwind romance - checkI could see ILI (I suppose they are not all arrogant and grumpy haha). He does not seem all that crazy-tolerant, at least not drama crazy (he seems to have had some pretty nutty exes). I said that people have called me crazy, but more related to being impulsive and not planning anything and doing whatever seems fun in the moment. He said "I can see your kind of crazy. It's in the glitter in your eyes."
Ugh, meh. Sappayyyyy. So scary...
"my exes are nutty broads" - check
two ticks on the red flag checklist.
here to poop on your parade. just keep your eyes open <3
What else is on this helpful red flag checklist of yours?
Oh, to find you in dreams - mixing prior, analog, and never-beens... facts slip and turn and change with little lucidity. except the strong, permeating reality of emotion.
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