prolly so. keepin it real though. sometimes those descriptions on the wiki get overly analytical.Originally Posted by crazedratXII
prolly so. keepin it real though. sometimes those descriptions on the wiki get overly analytical.
ILE
those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
Is this what it means?I thought "keep it real" meant "be yourself"!
LII-Ne
"Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING like Shakespeare!"
- Blair Houghton
Johari
It fits me. I never want to go anywhere involving finances, if I get money it would be more for some celebrity thing benefiting others, a lot of IEIs get paid that way. I also am really sweet and caring so people will take care of me in that regard, because it bores me to death. A lot of people think I'm avoiding responsibility or something but no, it's just too draining lol. Why should I focus my attention in that area when I get much more improvement focusing on my strengths? It's a misnomer to think improving weaknesses helps you, maximizing strength is the only thing that works.
Yeah I'd marry for money because I have enough love to give both of us, so if somebody wants to focus on the money while I give the love, to me that's just a natural balance. It amuses me that people think I'm a golddigger but nah. It's just a natural balance that works. Society says it's unfair to make women stay at home (when they don't want to), well it's just as unfair to make men work when it doesn't naturally mesh with their personality and what they have to offer.
I agree 100%
4w3-5w6-8w7
Looking at it more abstractly, I'd say Te polr is an unwillingness to be bound by the Te "potential causalities" that result from the Fi state.
Meaning that Fi has a limiting quality to it; "Based on what I intuited/felt from the state of things there are such and such appropriate actions."
(Delta NF's give me a very prescriptive vibe)
Te polr's dont need this shit. The Te is too situationally specific and based on some inherent essence in situations that merry types simply cannot perceive.
Te polr's look for an abstract and static guide that is universal: "Oh, this kind of situation is playing out. I know how things work based on the factors I can point to, and through this, I can assume that the person has x motivation."
Te polr's feel limited and constrained by Te. It feels arbitrary and based on axioms (Fi), which cannot be specified or universalized.
The end is nigh
Ehhhh *gives 'so so hands'* to Jake. I guessssss. Idk.
its okay. You're the Te polr after all...
(not to derail thread, but this might explain more, bnd http://forum.socionix.com/index.php?showtopic=3096&st=0)
The end is nigh
Yes, exactly.
I don't always think it's that we can't perceive it – I find myself able to deal with Fi information relatively easy, in terms of translating it through my valued functions. It's more that I couldn't give the slightest shit about some top-down established set of actions that originate from some obscure core state, given that I naturally see actions in a latent, divergent manner.Te polr's dont need this shit. The Te is too situationally specific and based on some inherent essence in situations that merry types simply cannot perceive.
This sounds about right, although I think the word "universal" has some negative connotations. IxFps seem the most bent on understanding the basic rules, as their natural state revolves around passively receiving information on underlying processes... basically, I can winnow out a sequence of someone's actions to a tee, but where I sometimes err, is in drawing the more general ideas around it... messing up in this realm is aggravating, because it alters my ability to deduce their motivations with more simplicity... however, I can still spot commonalities between the internal causal processes in actions, and via Ni synthesis, can abstract them past a context, hence anticipation.Te polr's look for an abstract and static guide that is universal: "Oh, this kind of situation is playing out. I know how things work based on the factors I can point to, and through this, I can assume that the person has x motivation."
^that should answer the original question lol...
Te doesn't feel as arbitrary as Fi tbh... Fi conflicts with my agenda, which I would argue is the "least" arbitrary function to a person... so it's like, "how can you simply draw these personal delineations on intrinsic content and quality, when there are these other aspects?"... also consider that IPs are the harmonizers of quadras, and so will be the least inclined to condense things. Te just feels redundant to me, a sequential addition equation that never touches the underlying roots of something... whateverTe polr's feel limited and constrained by Te. It feels arbitrary and based on axioms (Fi), which cannot be specified or universalized.
4w3-5w6-8w7
ah okay, that makes sense. I might have added how I feel about Te and Fi, which would obviously be a bit different from the perspective of IXFp.
The end is nigh
yeah, that merry/serious thread is really good... I think the basic delineation comes down to something like:
Fi/Te: If x is a certain type of person, they will act in certain ways.
vs.
Ti/Fe: If x acts in certain ways, they are a certain type of person.
Essentially, as you mentioned Jake, Fi establishes individual-specific assessments that don't exist outside of the subjective frame of reference, and Te serves as tensor-like beacons for these internal states (think of an internal reverberation in the human body which induces the entire muscular-skeletal chain to react in a directly observable way... that's Fi/Te in a nutshell)... it's hard to alter them, because it would require shifting the Fi'er's entire frame of reference. Conversely, Fe/Ti'ers assess people more inductively... observing the variations in latent activity and generating structural parameters to subsume the patterns underneath... and it's more detached, a bit more about interpersonal leverage than core maintenance (back to the human body metaphor, it would be more like isolating specific movements as observable entities, and "intuiting" the latent energy behind them, then comparing and categorizing said thing based on its more general relation to the other latent patterns observed, hence you have an interconnected chain of variant actions that find coherence on fundamental rules, i.e. the basics of the human body's functioning).
4w3-5w6-8w7
"Potential" means "Internal" to me (making "potential causalities" "internal dynamics")... in fact this whole post sounds like the difference betweenand
to me (with maybe a little
thrown in). You're comparing yourself with ENTj?
LII-Ne
"Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING like Shakespeare!"
- Blair Houghton
Johari
Potential can be applied to basically all the elements, but fits best with internal statics. Dynamic is the actualized energy of what was formerly in a static (potential) state."Potential" means "Internal" to me (making "potential causalities" "internal dynamics")... in fact this whole post sounds like the difference between
Fi is similar to Ne, remember...
The end is nigh
ah walks... the eternal generators of insight
yeah... internal static functions... they're like receptors or something, like resting charges touching each other to gauge relative states... although they diverge where Fi condenses energy and Ne diverges off of nodes...Potential can be applied to basically all the elements, but fits best with internal statics. Dynamic is the actualized energy of what was formerly in a static (potential) state.
Fi is similar to Ne, remember...
interesting stuff
4w3-5w6-8w7
Fair enough... but this doesn't explain why you called Te "potential causalities."
LII-Ne
"Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING like Shakespeare!"
- Blair Houghton
Johari
Sharpen a sword too much and it becomes brittle, just as sharpening a sword too little keeps it blunt.
Maximizing strengths has its advantages, but alone its flimsy and you have nothing when it breaks. Te is a horrible function to put absolutely no work into.
Abstractions aside, personally, i feel the merit in improving weaknesses is just that. You improve your weaknesses. Flushing yourself out is benificial to those around you and anything unchecked is something unmonitored. The shadow functions still manifest, and without improvement they are destructive.
Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.
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