IEI Extroverted Thinking Te Polr (INFp)

[Soupman]

Chairman mao vs Deng Xiaoping

IEI vs LIE

Understand Mao's idealism in communism vs Deng's pragmatism, that lead him to destroy socialism essentially

[The Martrix]

Chairman mao vs Deng Xiaoping

IEI vs LIE

Understand Mao's idealism in communism vs Deng's pragmatism, that lead him to destroy socialism essentially

Mao Zedong was almost certainly beta, I agree, but what's your argument for IEI?

[Soupman]

Mao Zedong was almost certainly beta, I agree, but what's your argument for IEI?

I have been interested in studying recent chinese history since it has been so odd. Anywho, simply compare Mao to fuhr****** as a beginning, you notice the mutual idealism but fuhr was more realistic due his outward focus. He was always acutely aware of the energy he sent to others, he lead people and desired to have them feel his message; he took advantage of new opportunities , he was more in control.

Though Mao focused more on cultivating a vision, an ideal, he only wanted to be seen as a benovelent force. He never cared about anything outside his vision, its one of the reasons he would insist on abitary ideas that never even reflected the mood of the time, poor opportunity awareness. You see this with the famine and cultural revolution, he was only concerned with the idea.

This is not to insult IEI but those are some of their real negative traits. Mao was a true intellectual in his utter detachment from reality, you can see this in his commitment to fulfilling communist ideals, and utter apathy to what he'd view as the less important present conditions. It got to a point where it was so bad that he felt the cultural revolution was the only thing he could implement with minimal side effects, but that had unexpected poor results. Overall the mess he had created was catching up to him.

[The Martrix]

I have been interested in studying recent chinese history since it has been so odd. Anywho, simply compare Mao to fuhr****** as a beginning, you notice the mutual idealism but fuhr was more realistic due his outward focus. He was always acutely aware of the energy he sent to others, he lead people and desired to have them feel his message; he took advantage of new opportunities , he was more in control.

Though Mao focus more on cultivating a vision, an ideal, he only wanted to be seen as a benovelent force. He never cared about anything outside his vision, its one of the reasons he would insist on abitary ideas that never even reflected the mood of the time, poor opportunity awareness. You see this with the famine and cultural revolution, he was only concerned with the idea.

This is not to insult IEI but those are some of their real negative traits.

That makes a lot of sense. Hit-ler's creative-Ni would have kept him on the pulse of the sentiments of the masses, and determining the precise time to take action. With base-Ni, the idea is more important than the reality. IEIs want to be liked, it's true. When we look to the long term future, we see interpersonal obstacles rather than practical obstacles. I guess that's why we use Fe creatively, as though to make others better disposed towards us.

What traits would you say benefited Mao in his rise to power?

[Soupman]

That makes a lot of sense. Hit-ler's creative-Ni would have kept him on the pulse of the sentiments of the masses, and determining the precise time to take action. With base-Ni, the idea is more important than the reality. IEIs want to be liked, it's true. When we look to the long term future, we see interpersonal obstacles rather than practical obstacles. I guess that's why we use Fe creatively, as though to make others better disposed towards us.

What traits would you say benefited Mao in his rise to power?

Well how he had a vision for the future well thought out despite the absence of any evidence to support it. Coming from a calamity people wanted reassurance for the future, his ideas pretty much brought that. They wanted to believe in a better future and he provided that; their present stat3 was terrible so promises were better than nothing he had uncertainty of the present for support.

EIE will attack their overall unrealistic idealism but they can't provide the overwhelming confidence IEI can in a really volatile and uncertain future. Robert Mugabe is another IEI who is too much like mao, he got into power for identical reasons.

[The Martrix]

Well how he had a vision for the future well thought out despite the absence of any evidence to support it. Coming from a calamity people wanted reassurance for the future, his ideas pretty much brought that. They wanted to believe in a better future and he provided that; their present stat3 was terrible so promises were better than nothing he had uncertainty of the present for support.

EIE will attack their overall unrealistic idealism but they can't provide the overwhelming confidence IEI can in a really volatile and uncertain future. Robert Mugabe is another IEI who is too much like mao, he got into power for identical reasons.

Is that because IEIs are positivists and EIEs are negativists?

[Soupman]

Is that because IEIs are positivists and EIEs are negativists?

That makes sense but so does the process vs results argument to an extent, and of course the idea that rationals favour action only in stability. Sometimes the theory side can be really confusing, there is a lot to study I wish socionist would really care about looking at real people as opposed to wallowing in theory without evidence.