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Last edited by DreamEssence; 11-30-2011 at 06:41 PM.
First of all, where are you getting your information? "Judgmental" means inclined to make critical judgments of others, and it's often used in a derogatory manner, e.g., implying that the judgments are hasty or inappropriate. Any description of a type that suggests that a person of that type automatically exhibits a particular negative behavior is suspect.
From my experience with ESIs, they do tend to hold others to certain standards, but they don't necessary think of it in terms of "rules." One way I've seen it is int erms of being bothered by "inconsiderate" people.
If that doesn't describe you at all, it may be that you're not that type. What makes you think you're ISFj?
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Last edited by DreamEssence; 12-02-2011 at 12:58 PM.
Rules are so for extroverted functions. Remember that. It's one of the main rules.
First of all, speaking from personal experience, in many ISFjs, behavioral expectations can be unconscious, and may cause internal judgment or categorization or something like that, but not any sort of action against the person violating the behavioral expectation unless that person causes harm or is about to cause harm to the ISFj or someone whom the ISFj feels close to/feels like they should protect. I have a cousin who is ISFj who would never tell somebody that what they were doing was wrong if it wasn't affecting him (my ESFp brother would be way more likely to do this), but if he felt that you were really rude to his girlfriend (well... if it was a girlfriend he actually cared about), he'd take "appropriate" measures to punish the offender.
In general, I believe the acting as the "moral police" is a behavioral trait not necessarily associated with any particular type, but which fits fairly well with the concept of Fi and Se combined in an ego block. Concerning Fi, I don't use the word "rules" for Fi (someone on this site pointed out to me how that's inaccurate). I think of Fi as relating to "expectations" or "assumptions" about how one behaves (and don't take "assumptions" to have a negative connotation; everything involves assumptions), especially in relation to others. Another thing to consider is that, despite how Fi nonvaluers (myself included) tend to see it, Fi can be highly individualistic. You just might have a very particular set of expectations that aren't what you think of when you think of "moral police". Fi isn't one specific set of rules; it's a way of perceiving the world that tends to create, respond to, and innately understand the world by means of expectations for how behaviors affect relationships. As such, the world in which the Fi-ego develops has a significant impact on what behaviors he/she believes will positively or negatively affect a relationship.
So yeah, just because you're not the moral police, it doesn't mean that you're not ISFj. I bet your Fi manifests in other ways, perhaps ways that you don't even notice.
Not a rule, just a trend.
IEI. Probably Fe subtype. Pretty sure I'm E4, sexual instinctual type, fairly confident that I'm a 3 wing now, so: IEI-Fe E4w3 sx/so. Considering 3w4 now, but pretty sure that 4 fits the best.
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I am grateful for the mystery of the soul, because without it, there could be no contemplation, except of the mysteries of divinity, which are far more dangerous to get wrong.
The funny thing is, the very nature of your post is that it's a HUGE judgment in and of itself; a judgment against judgment. So you are naturally fulfilling your role as an ISFj. ISFjs are very judgmental (at least how they come across to others and you can't really totally avoid how other people view you), but I don't think that there's anything wrong with that. Judgmental isn't the same as being prejudiced or bigoted. (And there's nothing really wrong with being those things either, unless you act on it and objectively hurt other people)
It's not a matter of "norms" of behavior at all. Like I said, ESI's have their own concepts of right and wrong. It's completely subjective. They definitely do decide whether others are good or bad people though, and they're not at all sympathetic to those who they see as bad people.
Maybe you're EII? Or SEI?
DreamEssence, you sound Ti/Fe valuing to me. I suggest you read other type descriptions as well.
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fwiw, I don't think "norms" of behavior has to means "other people's norms." I think it's norm in the sense of "normative," i.e., how certain things should be done, as opposed to "normal". You can have a norms of behavior ranging from "I expect people to come to work wearing a shirt," or "I expect people to come to my party NOT wearing a suit jacket." I think DreamEssence does sound very ESI; like BnD said, the OP did spend a good amount of time judging judgment.
Not a rule, just a trend.
IEI. Probably Fe subtype. Pretty sure I'm E4, sexual instinctual type, fairly confident that I'm a 3 wing now, so: IEI-Fe E4w3 sx/so. Considering 3w4 now, but pretty sure that 4 fits the best.
Yes 'a ma'am that's pretty music...
I am grateful for the mystery of the soul, because without it, there could be no contemplation, except of the mysteries of divinity, which are far more dangerous to get wrong.
What does this mean?I don't have a moral radar at all.
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Last edited by xkj220; 10-07-2009 at 08:34 PM.
LOL
Okay, the question at this point is why your friends think you sound ESI, DreamEssence.
Yeah... ESI's don't particularly care about that sort of thing. They may think someone is weird if they don't follow norms of behavior, but not evil. ESI's are MUCH more prone to think in terms of good vs. evil than appropriate vs. inappropriate. Inappropriateness or strangeness in itself doesn't offend them. Not unless someone is crossing a personal boundary or doing something they see as evil.
Theoretically yes, but "I tend to not evaluate others" and "I don't have a moral radar at all" does not sound ESI in the least. From what little DreamEssence has posted, he/she sounds more like another ethical type than ESI.I think DreamEssence does sound very ESI; like BnD said, the OP did spend a good amount of time judging judgment.
I have no idea of her type and I think she needs to talk more about what she is and not what she isn't.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.