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What, because he was told about what you said from other people you suppose this? Maybe everybody simply ignored what you said? How come these are the only conclusions you can draw on our behalf?
You say that if the second conclusion is true, that this will mean that Banana Pancakes will have no right to speak for the Alpha Quadra...but what right do you yourself have to speak on behalf of the forum apart from the fact that you're a part of it?
If you want to discuss his type in greater depth, why not do it in a dedicated thread in the What's My Type? section?
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I've read a (MBTI) study that self-typings may be more reliable than typings done by "experts" anyway - this was tested by checking the correlation between two tests taking six months or so apart by each individual and two appraisals by the "experts".
Of course that was MBTI and most of us are probably more informed than these "experts"...but if self-typings on the whole are more accurate than peer review, then how are we going to test the reliability of self-typings on teh internet? Maybe we should just leave things as they are?
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Pinocchio, I've made it clear that I'm open to a discussion of my type in a dedicated thread, which you have yet to start.
I have yet to see any of this "evidence" you keep referencing as to my type not being ILE. Not once have I seen a clear explanation of your reasons for my being ESI or not ILE.
Edit: I read your referenced comment, which I didn't see yesterday because as mentioned earlier, you were on ignore. I'm completely willing to put everything aside and be friends, provided you don't reference my type in anything other than a dedicated thread. That means no more snide remarks in unrelated threads about how I'm not ILE. That's really the only thing that bothers me about your behavior. I don't like when you do target anyone's type in an unrelated thread, but I'll settle for you not commenting about me.
@Mods Since we're on the subject, how about we discuss the behavior of targeting people's types in the more lounge-like forums. I'm sure I'm not the only one who finds it irritating.
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ILE-Ti
6w7 sx/sp (low level of confidence)
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It would seem I've overlooked it then. Care to point me to the location of these comments? What I'm really looking for is a nice little summary (Ti) of your arguments...in a thread created for that purpose. The only arguments I ever seem to see from you are along the lines of:
"You deny the overwhelming evidence against you being ILE."
Again, I've yet to see said evidence.
Why isn't it possible? It makes the most sense to me. Cluttering other threads is NOT Ti. I begin to think more and more that Ti is not in your ego, but I'm not here to debate your type.
I'd like to address the fact that you bring up mn0good as my identical quite a bit. While I feel a good bit of identical-ness here, she's not the only ILE I feel that way about. Steve and I both find each other highly similar, we respond the same way to things, have had similar paths in life, etc. What's your typing of Steve? I don't know some of the other ILEs well enough, but from what I've seen we are similar.
I definitely don't feel the same vibe with LIIs, although I still like them.
I'm absolutely not rejecting the possibility that I could not be ILE (arguably this is because I have Ne as my main function, but I digress). For my first couple years of Socionics I was EXTREMELY cautious about setting my ILE typing in stone. I've made a few threads about the possibility of my being another type, and everything always came back to ILE. How did I decide on ILE? I simply read EVERYTHING I could get my hands on, about all the types. I even labored through jungs monotonous initial description. Have you done this?
Lately I've actually been going back to thinking I could be Se valuing and if you had said you thought I was ILI I'd have given much more weight to your arguments. To say that I myself am Se ego is simply ludicrous to me, and second only to saying I'm Fi lead, a function which I'm abysmal at.
I'd discuss my type with you and others could comment on it. I have yet to see ANYONE agree with you that I am mistyped, but I would be willing to entertain a conversation with just one person as long as I didn't feel I was wrecking another thread. I welcome debate, and not because I'm convinced I know everything (which I don't think I can say for you).
This is precisely the reason I don't appreciate your comments. I see no difference between your attitude and that of an immature 14 year old. My respect for you is very low when you jump in uninvited and start typing me, when you and I have rarely interacted. I've never even seen you on stickam and yet you think you understand me better than those I've from the forum who know me well, all because of things I put on a message board when I'm bored. The way I act on these forums is highly edited to start with, and it is precisely because of the attitudes of posters who arrogantly shit all over threads because they think they know everything about socionics.
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ILE-Ti
6w7 sx/sp (low level of confidence)
This is an internet forum. There is no policy for interaction and sharing of opinions. I agree that this makes clarity difficult in typing people correctly by comparing to other members of a supposed type, but Socionics is flimsy enough that trying to impose any kind of rules regarding the standardization of the typing process is foolish.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
Someone may bring up an "insight" which they believe is valid for the type or fucntion being discussed, and others may choose to take into account what they believe that person's type to be - I think just so long as they are musings up for discussion, then there is no problem. But a thread should not become an all-out war about someone's type if it is not relevant to the thread...although sometimes it is not so easy to ensure that things stay on track, particularly if many side-topics are discussed or if the threadstarter is the one who primarily responsible for the derail!
I agree that the best way to decide someones type (that we have available to us) is by logical discussion.
However, I don't know if one can force a person to say they are XXX, however, there has been times when group consensus has pointed away from someone whatever type they say they are.
I suppose the best way to go about it is to put the arguments on the table, then either agree or agree to disagree.
However, some types (and some people) are less likely to agree to disagree, or adopt a live and let live attitude, for various reasons.
Some types (and people) will continue it by making sly digs at the other, some types (and people) will bitch about someone to others.
Then it becomes a shit fest heh.
So I don't know what the solution is. I would prefer it if the first thing happened - arguments are reasons were put on the table and discussed with reasons and logic, without it becoming personal. Then either agree on that type or just say, "fair enough, i'll think about it".
But fuck, the freedom of expression on this forum is pretty good, but not OTT, so it's difficult to play with restricting peoples behaviours and forms of expression too much (for instance, on another forum I had several threads going which for me were all related to my type, but not everyone realised this and at a later date I connected them all together), just one of many examples.
But in that, maybe someone saying "can't discuss that particular thing here" as an overall rule is limiting to all types, perhaps especially those who value Ne - but not exclusively i'm sure!
Oh, what a load of shit i've probably just posted, lol
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