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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalinoche buenanoche View Post
    Can you give any examples of this intensity/high pressure esp. regarding home maintenance?
    This is both my cousin and his identical wife: whenever they give an order, it must be done immediately. When giving commands to children or pets, for example, they are not soft or conciliatory in how they phrase them - they may deliver a curt shout or use demonstrative body language (clenching fists, pointing, focused stare) to indicate what it is they want another person to do. But the intention with it is not to be menacing, but rather to be unambiguous in aims and encourage the other person to get things done. Our mutual ESI relatives and their ESI daughter respond to this very positively. However, from my perspective, it often seems brash; and they can get offended/irritated by my lack of responsiveness. I don’t see that behavior as necessary to get another person to do something - simply telling them is enough for me.

    My cousin has talent in the field of engineering. His wife has talent in the area of crafts and knitting, and together they run a household that is contentedly free of breaks. If you come to visit, something is always being set up or torn down. If you tell them they need to relax before they collapse from exhaustion, they’ll scrunch their noses and look at you funny.
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    EII Fanny Brice meets LIE Nick Arnstein:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    EII Fanny Brice meets LIE Nick Arnstein:

    I know this is old, but I love that you posted a Funny Girl video. I've never seen the movie, but as a fan of Glee, I have a fondness for the show and despite her problematic ways, hope Lea Michele gets the part to see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    EII Fanny Brice meets LIE Nick Arnstein:

    She’s definitely ESI NOT EII
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Why? She uses humor which can be Ne



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    Well semi-dual relationships are often very mutually affectionate. You tend to be nice to each other's vulnerabilities and if not nice then you tend to be forgiving. Where it goes wrong is your semi-dual's hidden agenda is your polr and vice-versa. I think this means mechanically and logically something always feels very 'off' underneathe the surface even though in a heartfelt emotional way it often works out so well. Duality is the best balance of both head and heart- where neither of those two are broken too much theoritically speaking.

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    I’ve always thought of this semi-dual relation as having potential to yield a riveting erotica. I don’t know why.

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    Is semi duality better than activity?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Pixel View Post
    Is semi duality better than activity?
    For me, semi-duality is way better than activity.

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    I've had good and bad relations with LIE. The good was mostly due to LIE not feeling in competition with me or threatened by me, so we can relax and just have a good time joking around. I notice some LIE can be tense, so maybe that helps. It's also motivating to talk to someone who has big goals and dreams they wanna do.

    The bad relations were surprisingly due to Ni. Because Ni is introverted it's not always communicated and sometimes when an LIE is trying to get things to go in the direction of their Ni it can be seen as steam rolling and arrogance, because they don't let people in on their plan but want cooperation in this unspoken plan.

    I think a great example of this is the movie Lean On Me, I believe Morgan Freeman plays an LIE who has his heart in the right place but pisses people off because he doesn't share his big plans on how he is going to accomplish his goal, he just tells everyone what to do and they are supposed to do it without question. This can be a major issue especially for an Ne type who constant seeks for evidence whenever an Ni hunch is presented to them. I've had the same issue with EIE but not with goals but more with beliefs, they assert a huge claim backed by no evidence and my Ne now has tons of questions that they are unwilling to answer but they demand my full belief in their claim that has no evidence. LIE can do sort of the same, Ni vision, no explanation of the how we get there, but they can demand your full cooperation, feels too much like blind trust. As far as Si/Se, I don't notice this as much but when I do it does feel weird, it;s mostly the lack of communication with Ni for me, I can't just do what someone wants me to do in blind faith, it feels like submission, it feels like I have to violate my own brain, like I have to just shut up and go because they said so.


    some LIEs know:

    I remember working on a group project with someone I only could think was LIE, it's weird because they were depressed for quiet sometime and not super ambitious like all the stereotypes. But on this group project, even though he was not set as the leader, he pretty much over spoke the leader who was a soft spoken SLI, and he constantly tried to get his way, like he already had a firm idea in his mind of how he wanted things to turn out and constantly tried to force people in that direction. The problem was, this wasn't an assignment where we had a clear goal, this was a team project where we had to make something, something that we all agreed to make. But this guy kept trying to control the decision on what we were gonna make. He controlled all input. I worked pretty hard o something for the project, I showed in to the group and tried to get approval from the team lead to keep going with it, and the LIE dude goes "NO!". No explanation, just no, he's not even the team lead, no one says anything, he just steam rolled and the team lead just let him make the decision. So after this I let the team, I just couldn't take it anymore. I joined another group in that class and the funny thing was the lead of that team was an LSE, he had his asshole ways also but there was a similar scenario where I turned in something I was working on for the project. I looked for his approval to see if it would make it in the final draft of the project, he told me no, then he tells me WHY. He said a couple things and I made the changes and got the approval from him to include it in that project. It was simple. But the LIE dude, man he was a mess, every step of the way he, it got so bad that he would be over your shoulder telling you what he wanted you to do as you were doing it, I almost got up and said "Do you it yourself!" one time. When he finally got a girlfriend he was like a different person, he toned down a softened up a ton. And when I got what he considered a "high status" job, his attitude towards me completely changed, it went from telling me what to do to all of the sudden wanting to team up with my "credentials".

    There is another LIE woman I know. She is gorgeous but married and twice my age. We aren't real close but are part of the same friend group and so we are somewhat friends. She could be mistaken as an introvert, in action only, because she doesn't talk much in groups, but her appearance is big and bold, military woman, fancy dresses, bold necklaces that make a statement, and she's got a new hairstyle every time you see her. We don't talk much so I decide to sit next to her at a meeting to have some conversation with her and I get pleasantly surprised. She can talk up a storm, I don't mind because it's interesting to see her talk this much. She starts getting really involved in it all, telling me about her military adventures, and then that leads to this book she wants to write. It's about finding relationships, she knows a ton of single women "at the top" that are middle age and she thinks it's sad because " you can't build memories with all that money." Anyway, the conversation picks up fast, but I end up having to leave because my ride is ready to go, so she tells me "Oh, you better go, because I can talk all day!". But I leave feeling excited, from just seeing her talk so much and her high energy and dreams are inspiring. The next time I see her, I'm manning an audio visual device for our meeting, so I can't talk much, and usually when she sees me she says hi and keeps it moving, but this time she says hi and just stands in the door way leaning on the wall for a good second, looking off in some distance. Not sure if she wants to speak to me or...? I already find her physically attractive, but now I feel like we got a little closer, that's big trouble for me with a married woman, I don't wanna torture myself with the inevitable imaginations. So I feel guilty about my own thoughts and say nothing, and after a couple seconds she taps the wall and walks away. And that's how things are today, haven't spoken to her much since. There was one time she sat next to me, which she never does, but I said nothing that time too. Anyway, that's all, she's something.


    Personally when it's good it's fun, but an LIE stereotype that does ring true for me is the intimidation, I do sense I'm intimidated by them when I'm around them a little, there's only been a few times where I haven't been, so there's some discomfort there, probably some Se/Si thing going on there too. LSE doesn't have this intimidating affect on me, sure they can be bull headed but their ways are more obvious. And some victim women can go overboard, idk what it is, but I've dealt with some psuedo-aggressor women and their attitude is confusing, how am I supposed to interpret someone being extra mean to me for no reason as "oh, they like me", I can see that I'm the only one they treat like this so maybe that's a hint, but it definitely doesn't make me attracted to them, it just causes me stress. The not crazy victim girls just don't work well with my infantile approach, I'll try and do shock humor with Ne, twist a perspective in an unusual way for comedy for example " I can't trust this chinese food store, all your cooks are mexican." for shiggles, caregiver would eat that up but victim girl won't become attracted by that, might even take me seriously and not notice it's a joke. And if victim girl is attracted to me physically she is more interested in testing my mettle than reacting to my humor, so she puts up resistance and tries to control the interaction at her pace, instead of laughing at the joke she's more likely to kill the vibe and ask me my name with a handshake, it's too slow for me, I'm too "extra" for her, it just doesn't work.

    Anyway, this one seems hit or miss for me.


    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    For me, semi-duality is way better than activity.
    hm, I don't know enough semi-duals in close quarters but I've experienced such good activity, and consistently, it seems hard to beat.
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    I'll simply restate what I had to say about semi-duality elsewhere. It's an overall fulfilling and mutually beneficial relationship that is sadly tinged with a noticeable yet ultimately forgivable (and dare I say negligible) level of disappointment. This is because you're both getting the primary things you're seeking out of a partner without the ultimately secondary and tertiary components you were also hoping for.

    The LIE wants someone with primary and the EII provides but doesn't provide the other thing they were hoping for, but those were things they were willing to let slide. The EII isn't as gentile about compensating for a lack that of as an ESI is but if you nitpick about every little thing you'll never find any form of suitable partner. Provided both parties are securely attached it's not a deal breaker and it sure as hell could be far worse (e.g. getting forced to wed your conflictor) and even then it's still possible to make it work. Just takes more effort from both parties.

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    Semi duality is pretty much like duality in the sense that it feels like psychedelic addiction. The difference is that the side effects are destructive to your overall happiness.
    Sometimes you don't have motivation because you lack purpose.
    Sometimes you don't have purpose, because you lack self-knowledge
    Sometimes you don't have self-knowledge because you lack love
    Sometimes you don't have love because you lack self-love
    Sometimes you don't have self-love because you lack guess what? Ask Gulenko!!

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    It depsn on dubtype subtype and stuff. I argue with one of my LIE friend online because declaring type and he's very declaring more than me. Yeah this LIE almost seems like my dual to me aka this one guy who pisses me off for what ever reason with His Se it basically like duality. Except it harder to come to a agreement with out the fact they don't give the right advice that same of Lses.
    My other bsf is gamma and we never argue so. And maybe I do clash with gamma more than betas and LSI-Ti even though some LSI hate me and can target me, which gammas dont target me rlly since keeping to selves. Sometimes when it comes to close relationship or it hard for me to change my behavior to fit how gammas feel I can troll. d. I had an SEE guy bsf and he was very serious and chameleon like attuned to them but could get very upset and yell did not like stupid behaviors.



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