The people you hate the most are in your quadra

[Gilly]

I undermine this thread. Quadra relations are already used as a typing system all on their own, however we'd be worse off if it gets flipped on its head. There would still be a continuous shift of interpretation, but this idea would be to misinterpret theory from the start.

Only if you look at it on the surface level, and if you're doing that then Socionics fails from the start, because you wind up saying "Oh I don't like/get along/agree with this person, therefore he/she is in an opposing quadra". If you know WHY people disagree or don't like each other, then you can have a better understanding of how the disagreement may or may not be relevant to Socionics type.

[717495]

Only if you look at it on the surface level, and if you're doing that then Socionics fails from the start, because you wind up saying "Oh I don't like/get along/agree with this person, therefore he/she is in an opposing quadra". If you know WHY people disagree or don't like each other, then you can have a better understanding of how the disagreement may or may not be relevant to Socionics type.

Well sure. I don't have anything bad to say about my quadra (the people), so it would seem like the current theory is doing just fine for me.

[Gilly]

Maybe this is only the case with Betas because we are the ones who usually try to "take up space"

sigh...

[Creepy-Diana]

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[Gilly]

I tend to be more forgiving of those in my quadra, precisely because I understand where they're coming from, so no, I don't think this is true at all.

Well, that's not necessarily discordant with what I'm saying; I can understand why my ex-boss believes what he believes, but it just so happens that our beliefs come into direct contradiction with one another because of the very nature of our vested interests.

I guess I assumed a loose interpretation of the word "hate."

[strrrng]

Keep it real, Gilly

(For example -- at a coffee shop everyone brings laptops and sits at the "bar." It's usually pretty quiet as everyone is working. Two ENFjs next to me are talking reallllly loudly, especially the girl who is getting louder and louder and starts gesturing and hitting into me 1 out of 3 times. Her voice and flailing limbs are very anti-Si. All of the Fe (which can be used in a fun way) just seems annoying to me because it's not fitting in w/ the chill Si-friendly vibe the place usually has. Where as w/ another quadra I'd think "oh the poor girl is just trying to be liked and doesn't realize it" or something, I was actually getting really angry w/ this one. If it was a Delta being annoying, they'd still be annoying, but it wouldn't be conflicting w/ my functions, so it wouldn't be "personal."

I don't really get this. It sounds like you typed them as beta because of their behaviors, which you determined were Fe/Se/whatever based on their ostensible manifestations. And then you say that if a girl from another quadra did the same thing, you would interpret it differently? That doesn't really make sense to me. As far as I know, being loud or emotionally clamorous or aggressive is not in any way intrinsically related to Fe/Se, despite it sometimes feeling that way; this means that the trait shouldn't determine the functions. And if the person annoys you, they annoy you; why must your reaction to them be determined by your personal assessment of their motivations, which could be entirely divergent from their actual motivations, as it is based on what appears to be a superficial induction?

I find Se environments "comfortable" -- they don't always have to be rowdy and shit; it's a subtler, personal feeling. Fe doesn't have to be loud; ESTjs are some of the raunchiest types I have seen, in ways. etc. etc.