What do you think are the most obvious signs of valuing Se/Ni vs Ne/Si?
When observing or talking with someone, what sticks out to you as the most obvious indicator[s] of one or the other?
What do you think are the most obvious signs of valuing Se/Ni vs Ne/Si?
When observing or talking with someone, what sticks out to you as the most obvious indicator[s] of one or the other?
Judicious: silly, charming
Decisive: serious business, edgy
But Ni/Se can also be charming. And Ni/Se isn't always serious and edgy. I think one obvious indicator (to me) is democratic vs. aristocratic. Ne/Si always seem to be very inclusive, even with their body language. They draw people in, welcoming anyone who happens to be standing nearby. Whereas there are some moments when Ni/Se can kind of pull away from the group or differentiate themselves in a particular way, depending on the circumstances. They can be more exclusive.
IEI-Fe 4w3
Aristocratic means ethics are paired with intuition, and democratic means logic is paired with intuition
And Silly and Charming is for the Fe/Ti spectrum, and "serious" business and edgy relates more to Fi/Te, hence merry and serious.
I put a few lines up on wikisocion that states that Decisive people tend to make decisions quickly on a small piece of evidence, how it says Ni types survive in situations where information is scarce, so they're more influenced to decide. Judicious people are more inclined to build a profile about a decision, gather everything they need, before they come close to making an official decision. They're also more inclined to not see how obvious the situation has turned into, because they regard the evidence as not substantial enough.
I look at the judicious/decisive dichotomy. I'm not that sold on the Reinin dichotomies but I think this one works.
From Wikisocion:
Judicious (Si/Ne valuers)
Decisive (Se/Ni valuers)
- Accumulate a vast amount of information into consideration before making an official decision
- Less convinced to finalize a decision based upon (even a strong piece of) external evidence
- Natural state is relaxed
- On work, usually prefers satisfying working conditions to salary and other rewards
- Make decisions based on a little bit of information
- More easily influenced to decide upon (even a small piece of) external evidence
- Natural state is mobilised
- On work, usually prefers salary and other rewards to satisfying working conditions
LII-Ne with strong EII tendencies, 6w7-9w1-3w4 so/sp/sx, INxP
decisives strive to impress, judiciouses seek enjoyment.
I traveled through europe with an ILI friend and he wanted to see all the best sites and go to all the best restaurants, while I just wanted to see what was easy to find and eat whatever was nearby.
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The song isn't so soooo bad, but I meant the video.
The end is nigh
Oh, I see. Well I don't hate the video. I think it's ridiculous, but in such a... dry? odd? [something]... way that it's just kind of amusing. Scanily-clad women with power tools, the stats for which are shown onscreen, while a techno version of "Satisfaction" plays? It's kind of amusing, yeah.
Why do you think it's distinctively Se/Ni?
Its like... All these visceral close ups and focus on Se CRAZY SHIT IN YOUR FACE.
Uhg, its just like so cold hearted. And this is coming from a Ti ENTp lol! Like it makes attraction into some sort of sick game. Like "yeah i just need sex now and you're going to be my plaything". Nastyness.
The end is nigh
Maybe I am just an angsty bitter teen.
The end is nigh
maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
go ask the frog what the scorpion knows
idk w/e
Boxxy > Se-tisfaction
The end is nigh
so true jake
Nice asses, horrid movie. Guh.
I hate Boxxy. I would much rather watch Boxxy.
Wond'ring aloud, How we feel today. Last night sipped the sunset, My hand in her hair. We are our own saviours, As we start both our hearts, Beating life Into each other. ~Ian Anderson
This is an explosion of Si/Ne:
We love this shit. See how comfortable it makes you? Controlled, wonderful environment. Just looking at Ian Anderson makes me happy.
P.S.-This is only the first like 10 minutes of a 45-odd minute song I wish lasted all day. There's like a 6:08 version (complete) as well, but I just put up the first video of this guy I could find with this song.
Wond'ring aloud, How we feel today. Last night sipped the sunset, My hand in her hair. We are our own saviours, As we start both our hearts, Beating life Into each other. ~Ian Anderson
Se/Ni.
Things.
Surfaces.
Unexplained actual occurance.
Ne/Si talks in riddles.
Wond'ring aloud, How we feel today. Last night sipped the sunset, My hand in her hair. We are our own saviours, As we start both our hearts, Beating life Into each other. ~Ian Anderson
That song might just be too gamma for you, dolphin.
Wond'ring aloud, How we feel today. Last night sipped the sunset, My hand in her hair. We are our own saviours, As we start both our hearts, Beating life Into each other. ~Ian Anderson
Actually, I like the song a lot. lol Fi/Te?
Wond'ring aloud, How we feel today. Last night sipped the sunset, My hand in her hair. We are our own saviours, As we start both our hearts, Beating life Into each other. ~Ian Anderson
I'm being mean to you lol
But idk.. The song seems.. very... idk... I really like the tune and the sound of the song, but I don't like the focus of the lyrics or the video.
Probably aristocratic. Probably Beta.
*Also, that first movie is a gamma explosion.
Wond'ring aloud, How we feel today. Last night sipped the sunset, My hand in her hair. We are our own saviours, As we start both our hearts, Beating life Into each other. ~Ian Anderson
the satisfaction video is NOT Si/Ne.
No.
and your vid is interesting to me. idk Ive done enough socionics for the day.
The end is nigh
lol That's definitely the best way to get to an alpha NT. Brutally hammer out all forms of Fe, then uncomfortably destabalize Si. Ouch.. Sorry Jake, you brought it up.
Wond'ring aloud, How we feel today. Last night sipped the sunset, My hand in her hair. We are our own saviours, As we start both our hearts, Beating life Into each other. ~Ian Anderson
No.
That is not Ne, go away.
Go the fuck away with that.
How is any of that infantile/caregiver?
C'mon tell me.
No. Its not.
The end is nigh
Icky, disgusting Se-valuing ew, thats what that is.
Wond'ring aloud, How we feel today. Last night sipped the sunset, My hand in her hair. We are our own saviours, As we start both our hearts, Beating life Into each other. ~Ian Anderson
Well, because it's combining two totally opposite things to make something new and interesting.
Business and dry statistics with sex and desire, combined together for MAXIMUM LULZ.
Also, AvB is ESE. All his songs are about Fe, especially relationships. Also check out Above and Beyond, their lyrics have an internal monologue bent, and I think one of the guys is a SEI.
Speaking of SEI, ATB
Check out his vid "What About Us"
Si/Ne:
The end is nigh
Si = men wearing lipstick?
So CUTE!!! (notice how Se/Ni isn't cute at all?)
Wond'ring aloud, How we feel today. Last night sipped the sunset, My hand in her hair. We are our own saviours, As we start both our hearts, Beating life Into each other. ~Ian Anderson
Cute Ni.
That's so static I think I'll have to call it whatever the fuck you imagine the damn thing doing.
Granted, I don't like it. I think it's actually Alpha, you Fe-seeking piece of Ne ENTp.
Are you a car man, Gul?
Wond'ring aloud, How we feel today. Last night sipped the sunset, My hand in her hair. We are our own saviours, As we start both our hearts, Beating life Into each other. ~Ian Anderson
The bottom line is that Si/Ne is abuot creating a comfortable environment.
Se/Ni is about creating an explosive environment.
Wond'ring aloud, How we feel today. Last night sipped the sunset, My hand in her hair. We are our own saviours, As we start both our hearts, Beating life Into each other. ~Ian Anderson
the bottom line is that dolphin hates me.
The end is nigh
And that, yes.
Wond'ring aloud, How we feel today. Last night sipped the sunset, My hand in her hair. We are our own saviours, As we start both our hearts, Beating life Into each other. ~Ian Anderson
ILE + LSE = talk - action
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