I can see how Ni could be experienced as a "mood" in itself while having nothing to do with moods. I can't "show" it though.Originally Posted by Aylen
I can see how Ni could be experienced as a "mood" in itself while having nothing to do with moods. I can't "show" it though.
It's ok I know what you mean. I was just not sure how Reinin meant it at first. The Ni summary does align with Jung's description as well.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
Makes no sense
Who said it had to make sense?
Someone whos T type
I used to care about what made sense: facts, proofs, explainations... I don't anymore. I find life much more interesting when I don't brush off things because they don't make sense and I just agree to live the present experience. Being alone in my facts and proofs proved to suck and keep my mind closed to many wonders of life. I want more from life than stuff that make logical sense.
the beauty of life is that everything has a logical explanationI used to care about what made sense: facts, proofs, explainations... I don't anymore. I find life much more interesting when I don't brush off things because they don't make sense and I just agree to live the present experience. Being alone in my facts and proofs proved to suck and keep my mind closed to many wonders of life. I want more from life than stuff that make logical sense.
If only everyone on this single *planet* at least knew/understood/agreed upon/etc. what constitutes the "logical" if ya catch my drift...
Fi is exactly what it says, the internalized feelings and sensations of attraction/repulsion, like or dislike. Four dimensional Fi/or mb valued Fi too, for example knows exactly why deep in its heart of hearts why it loathes a particular thing and can write a 50,000 page essay on it. It can do this with multiple topics many times. Fi is loving and sweet as it is harsh, unforgiving and brutal. But objectively speaking, it definitely lacks the diplomacy that Fe has because Fe is about creating a certain emotional atmosphere for others rather than 'I personally like/dislike this and here is a 50,000 page essay explaining why.'
My fi polr ILE buddy for example... accepts everybody equally even though he's a huge jerk at times that doesn't take people's own personal fields of like/dislike into account very well. It's because he isn't paying enough attention to this stuff, is why he can accept people better than an angry, self-righteous EII with a stick up their ass. So fi polr is also very ethical as it is non-ethical, just like Fi is loving/deep/moral/kind as it is harsh/brutal/unforgiving. Of course to a Fi valuer Fi polr its going to seem highly unethical.
Fi polr can also make you not judge situations accurately and then you can overreact the same way a Fi-ego would. The eighth function is probably the strongest we have.
D33p af
I guess though it’s strong in the sense that a muscular uncontrolled retarded person on a rage would be strong and profound, etc.
How insightful you are. Methinks you still need to practice socionics some more.
Methinks you need to keep tardflailing in your swivel chair. Practice your 1D functions lol.
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Which function exactly would that serve as practice to?
Methinks it’s all of them for you m8. Since they’re all 1D and located in your ass, you’ll get a full TIM workout.
Don't forget there is another side to the coin: many ILEs are good people, and their easy acceptance of people can also attract the wrong people, parasites that feed of their good intentions.
“I have never tried that before, so I think I should definitely be able to do that.” --- Pippi Longstocking
Assuming that the entire motivation for their behavior is "like/dislike", "attraction/repulsion", or lack thereof.
Which I highly doubt is the case, since the the motivation can't be less complex than the observed behavior. It ignores the all sorts of complexities and logical chains of events that must lead to that certain kind of behavior, such as the creation of complex systems of morality or the managing of relationships.
It's basically the equivalent of "psychological reductionism". It's like saying that if we only managed to pinpoint and identify the "initial condition" of an atom or something, then we can predict the entire world. That may be true in principle, but that's hardly the point, because it requires all sorts of different levels of explanations to understand why things are the way they are, right now.
Which is ironic considering many adherents of Jungian psychology are antagonistic toward science because of its tendency toward material reductionism.
It makes sense?
I relate so much to this. I couldn't tell you why I dislike something and I really don't care to write an essay or explain why because to be honest, no one else cares and I could care less too. I'm actually not a very ethical person, despite having "strong opinions on society", and I could care less what anyone else does, and I'm not here to lecture people on why it's right/wrong to do something.
Yeah, I couldn't tell you what anyone else likes/dislikes are half of the time. I am pretty accepting, but mostly because I really don't care to form relationships in that way (as in the Fi way) with other people much, because I am not very good at it. I think that when I am very bitchy, I can overreact in situations and come across as a really unhealthy person. Since I have been stressed, I have been coming across as a bitch and harsh, but I'm not usually like that.
I think when we are stressed and we overthink things and try to use our PoLR, we end up becoming the worst version of ourselves. I agree that the strength of the PoLR is vastly underrated, even when we don't use it. I think because we don't use it, we end up succombing to its wrath when it comes out.
Fi is feelings. another kind of them
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