Introverted Ethics Fi not like emotions or feelings

[Aylen]

Basic Elements of Informational Metabolism

To describe the IM process Aušra Augustinavičiūtė divided it into eight elements, together
they reflect the variety of ways a human being communicates with the world. The number of
elements does not contradict the general scientific informational concept of all communication
types studied in terms of information, energy, space and time.

Now let us examine the elements of informational metabolism; we will be using symbols
developed by Aušra Augustinavičiūtė. These symbols proved to be rather convenient and are
widely used by socionists.

The semantic fields of IM elements could be described as follows:

- Subjective logic. It is my own logic, my understanding, explanation, description,
concept, and theory of things. It is my hierarchy of notions of the things that are closer
or farther, higher or lower. It is what I was taught, my view of this world, my world
outlook. It includes my education, i.e. the system of my ideas and my schooling.

- Objective logic. Logic of the objective world - objective circumstances, facts.
Example: the day began and it started raining. Systems, statistics. Event queue.
Example: “I am late for work because the bridge collapsed". Laws, political policies of
the government, stamps in the passport, traffic laws, prices, private summerhouse
property, my territory, and design drawing of a unit. Thinking objectively people usually
ask: “I want to know the reality of the matter.”

- Subjective intuition. The inner harmony. A state, a mood, and a sense of time.
Personal evaluation of events, of people's actions and morals.

- Objective intuition. The order of events from the beginning to the end, i.e. the
sets of events known beforehand, the schedule. Potential opportunities. Behavior
program, the way of life, the rhythm of life. Scenario of any action, acting in accordance
to predetermined scenario.

- Subjective sensoring. My inner feelings: gustatory sense, tactile sensoring, and
sexual sensoring. State of health. Ability to discern between the pleasant and the
unpleasant.

- Objective sensoring. It is the form, the action, the motion, the act, the
appearance, the gestures and the mimics. It is the person’s will.

- Subjective ethics. It is my attitude to people. It is the liking/disliking of
people/things. It is the emotions I experience.

- Objective ethics. It is the external relationship, the relationships between other
people and their attitude towards me. It is the emotions of other people.

These are the semantics of the eight basic elements of informational metabolism. And
now let us turn to Table 1.

Agree or disagree?

[Number 9 large]

Agree or disagree?

Ni is not a state or mood.

[Aylen]

Ni is not a state or mood.

Yeah I wondered about the mood thing. It is as if Reinin was pairing Ni/Fe there. The link goes into IMs.

Nvm, seems he means mood as in a temporary state of mind which makes more sense. Things translated from Russian are tricky sometimes.

[Aeris]

Yeah I wondered about the mood thing. It is as if Reinin was pairing Ni/Fe there. The link goes into IMs.

I can see how Ni could be experienced as a "mood" in itself while having nothing to do with moods. I can't "show" it though.

[Aylen]

I can see how Ni could be experienced as a "mood" in itself while having nothing to do with moods. I can't "show" it though.

It's ok I know what you mean. I was just not sure how Reinin meant it at first. The Ni summary does align with Jung's description as well.

[Number 9 large]

I can see how Ni could be experienced as a "mood" in itself while having nothing to do with moods. I can't "show" it though.

Makes no sense

[Aeris]

Makes no sense

Who said it had to make sense?

[Number 9 large]

Who said it had to make sense?

Someone whos T type

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

Fi is exactly what it says, the internalized feelings and sensations of attraction/repulsion, like or dislike. Four dimensional Fi/or mb valued Fi too, for example knows exactly why deep in its heart of hearts why it loathes a particular thing and can write a 50,000 page essay on it. It can do this with multiple topics many times. Fi is loving and sweet as it is harsh, unforgiving and brutal. But objectively speaking, it definitely lacks the diplomacy that Fe has because Fe is about creating a certain emotional atmosphere for others rather than 'I personally like/dislike this and here is a 50,000 page essay explaining why.'

My fi polr ILE buddy for example... accepts everybody equally even though he's a huge jerk at times that doesn't take people's own personal fields of like/dislike into account very well. It's because he isn't paying enough attention to this stuff, is why he can accept people better than an angry, self-righteous EII with a stick up their ass. So fi polr is also very ethical as it is non-ethical, just like Fi is loving/deep/moral/kind as it is harsh/brutal/unforgiving. Of course to a Fi valuer Fi polr its going to seem highly unethical.

Fi polr can also make you not judge situations accurately and then you can overreact the same way a Fi-ego would. The eighth function is probably the strongest we have.

[sbbds]

The eighth function is probably the strongest we have.

D33p af

I guess though it’s strong in the sense that a muscular uncontrolled retarded person on a rage would be strong and profound, etc.

[roger557]

D33p af

I guess though it’s strong in the sense that a muscular uncontrolled retarded person on a rage would be strong and profound, etc.

How insightful you are. Methinks you still need to practice socionics some more.

[consentingadult]

....My fi polr ILE buddy for example... accepts everybody equally even though he's a huge jerk at times that doesn't take people's own personal fields of like/dislike into account very well. It's because he isn't paying enough attention to this stuff, is why he can accept people better than an angry, self-righteous EII with a stick up their ass. So fi polr is also very ethical as it is non-ethical, just like Fi is loving/deep/moral/kind as it is harsh/brutal/unforgiving. Of course to a Fi valuer Fi polr its going to seem highly unethical.

Don't forget there is another side to the coin: many ILEs are good people, and their easy acceptance of people can also attract the wrong people, parasites that feed of their good intentions.

[Singu]

Assuming that the entire motivation for their behavior is "like/dislike", "attraction/repulsion", or lack thereof.

Which I highly doubt is the case, since the the motivation can't be less complex than the observed behavior. It ignores the all sorts of complexities and logical chains of events that must lead to that certain kind of behavior, such as the creation of complex systems of morality or the managing of relationships.

It's basically the equivalent of "psychological reductionism". It's like saying that if we only managed to pinpoint and identify the "initial condition" of an atom or something, then we can predict the entire world. That may be true in principle, but that's hardly the point, because it requires all sorts of different levels of explanations to understand why things are the way they are, right now.

[DEAD]

Fi is exactly what it says, the internalized feelings and sensations of attraction/repulsion, like or dislike. Four dimensional Fi/or mb valued Fi too, for example knows exactly why deep in its heart of hearts why it loathes a particular thing and can write a 50,000 page essay on it. It can do this with multiple topics many times. Fi is loving and sweet as it is harsh, unforgiving and brutal. But objectively speaking, it definitely lacks the diplomacy that Fe has because Fe is about creating a certain emotional atmosphere for others rather than 'I personally like/dislike this and here is a 50,000 page essay explaining why.'

My fi polr ILE buddy for example... accepts everybody equally even though he's a huge jerk at times that doesn't take people's own personal fields of like/dislike into account very well. It's because he isn't paying enough attention to this stuff, is why he can accept people better than an angry, self-righteous EII with a stick up their ass. So fi polr is also very ethical as it is non-ethical, just like Fi is loving/deep/moral/kind as it is harsh/brutal/unforgiving. Of course to a Fi valuer Fi polr its going to seem highly unethical.

Fi polr can also make you not judge situations accurately and then you can overreact the same way a Fi-ego would. The eighth function is probably the strongest we have.

I relate so much to this. I couldn't tell you why I dislike something and I really don't care to write an essay or explain why because to be honest, no one else cares and I could care less too. I'm actually not a very ethical person, despite having "strong opinions on society", and I could care less what anyone else does, and I'm not here to lecture people on why it's right/wrong to do something.

Yeah, I couldn't tell you what anyone else likes/dislikes are half of the time. I am pretty accepting, but mostly because I really don't care to form relationships in that way (as in the Fi way) with other people much, because I am not very good at it. I think that when I am very bitchy, I can overreact in situations and come across as a really unhealthy person. Since I have been stressed, I have been coming across as a bitch and harsh, but I'm not usually like that.

I think when we are stressed and we overthink things and try to use our PoLR, we end up becoming the worst version of ourselves. I agree that the strength of the PoLR is vastly underrated, even when we don't use it. I think because we don't use it, we end up succombing to its wrath when it comes out.

[Sol]

Fi is feelings. another kind of them

[Number 9 large]

Yeah I wondered about the mood thing. It is as if Reinin was pairing Ni/Fe there. The link goes into IMs.

Nvm, seems he means mood as in a temporary state of mind which makes more sense. Things translated from Russian are tricky sometimes.

No it sounded more like Fi.

[Aylen]

No it sounded more like Fi.

Not really.

A mood is less specific than an emotion or feeling, less intense and less likely to be triggered by a particular action or event. Moods can be described as being either positive or negative. Here are some common moods that can be used in everyday conversation or in descriptive writing.

Positive Mood Examples:

• Amused
• Blissful
• Calm
• Cheerful
• Content
• Dreamy
• Ecstatic
• Energetic
• Excited
• Flirty
• Giddy
• Good
• Happy
• Joyful
• Loving
• Mellow
• Optimistic
• Peaceful
• Silly
• Sympathetic

Negative Mood Examples:

• Angry
• Annoyed
• Apathetic
• Bad
• Cranky
• Depressed
• Envious
• Frustrated
• Gloomy
• Grumpy
• Guilty
• Indifferent
• Irritated
• Melancholy
• Pessimistic
• Rejected
• Restless
• Sad
• Stressed
• Weird

https://examples.yourdictionary.com/mood-examples.html

You ignore that it is also describes a state of mind or atmosphere.

[Number 9 large]

Not really.



You ignore that it is also describes a state of mind or atmosphere.

A state of mind IS mood

[Aylen]

Yeah I wondered about the mood thing. It is as if Reinin was pairing Ni/Fe there. The link goes into IMs.

Nvm, seems he means mood as in a temporary state of mind which makes more sense. Things translated from Russian are tricky sometimes.

I can see how Ni could be experienced as a "mood" in itself while having nothing to do with moods. I can't "show" it though.

Makes no sense

No it sounded more like Fi.

Not really.

You ignore that it is also describes a state of mind or atmosphere.

A state of mind IS mood

Mood is a temporary state of mind or feeling.

What sounds like Fi Mr. T?

[Beautiful sky]

Agree or disagree?

Fi seems to encompass ethics (system of values within Intertype relationships).

[ooo]

Agree or disagree?

NFs are doomed to be mystepd forever... for real. I mean, in that article Ni/Ne Fi/Fe are really inverted compared to other socion theories. I agree, the Ni and Fi especially so.

[Aylen]

NFs are doomed to be mystepd forever... for real. I mean, in that article Ni/Ne Fi/Fe are really inverted compared to other socion theories. I agree, the Ni and Fi especially so.

I had fallen asleep, as I woke I read your post. I thought it said, "NFs are doomed to be my redheaded stepchild forever.."

I tried to read Reinin book again. He merges functions together in a different way. It is confusing. Looks like some are reversed Filatova book descriptions.

[ooo]

I had fallen asleep, as I woke I read your post. I thought it said, "NFs are doomed to be my redheaded stepchild forever.."

ahahahahahahahah whyyyy <3

(yes they are)

I tried to read Reinin book again. He merges functions together in a different way. It is confusing. Looks like some are reversed Filatova book descriptions.

yes, and also for other functions.. like Te/Ti too are described invertedly in other theories... but it's interesting, if Reinin was using these description to build his dichotomies, it makes sense I'm an SLE in there lol

actually I took the Reinin dichotomy test again, ended up with LII or ESE, to which I suspected I was being played by some socionics master troll (It was BS maybe).