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    Quote Originally Posted by Beautiful sky View Post
    I have passed off Trump actions as equating to an attention seeking person... already made the judgements before proving the example
    Yes, that's what I said: you make the judgement before providing the example. The problem is, the example you are giving, explains how creative Ne works, it does not explain how Fi works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by consentingadult View Post
    Yes, that's what I said: you make the judgement before providing the example. The problem is, the example you are giving, explains how creative Ne works, it does not explain how Fi works.
    Fi works in conjunction with the Ne.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beautiful sky View Post
    Fi works in conjunction with the Ne.
    Obviously they do. But I still say that your example does not make clear how Fi works to someone seeking such understanding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by consentingadult View Post
    Obviously they do. But I still say that your example does not make clear how Fi works to someone seeking such understanding.
    This is where I completely agree with the OP

    “To me Fi doesn't seem like feeling at all. But rather it is an analysis of certain characteristics of people, well this is how it predominantly comes across anyway... there are also other ways. So yeh, I think Fi has pretty much nothing to do with feeling. To me it is totally a thinking function. ”
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by consentingadult View Post
    Obviously they do. But I still say that your example does not make clear how Fi works to someone seeking such understanding.
    I categorize human interactions and make judgements and references back and forth to the knowledge
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beautiful sky View Post
    I categorize human interactions and make judgements and references back and forth to the knowledge
    I'm glad you agree with me in this respect.

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    This is where I completely agree with the OP

    “To me Fi doesn't seem like feeling at all. But rather it is an analysis of certain characteristics of people, well this is how it predominantly comes across anyway... there are also other ways. So yeh, I think Fi has pretty much nothing to do with feeling. To me it is totally a thinking function. ”
    Perhaps you need to, like I had to, discover the true source of these value judgments inside of your body. Perhaps you have not yet descended down into the deep dark dungeons of your emotional life, where both the Goddess and Devil inside of you can be found. The true places where the value judgments originate, are not in the conscious parts of your brains. Sometimes they are not even in the brain at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by consentingadult View Post
    Obviously they do. But I still say that your example does not make clear how Fi works to someone seeking such understanding.
    Because of how I can analyze I come off as a T type to an outside observer who don’t understand that Fi analysis not Ti.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beautiful sky View Post
    Because of how I can analyze I come off as a T type to an outside observer who don’t understand that Fi analysis not Ti.
    This is why we must provide decent information to all who are seeking it, so they understand that what we communicate about our value judgments, is not what Fi is. Such descriptions are the verbalized conclusions of our Fi value judgments, in the form of intellectual constructs, which to the listener might sound like Ti indeed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by consentingadult View Post
    This is why we must provide decent information to all who are seeking it, so they understand that what we communicate about our value judgments, is not what Fi is. Such descriptions are the verbalized conclusions of our Fi value judgments, in the form of intellectual constructs, which to the listener might sound like Ti indeed.
    I see where you’re coming from. Fi makes value judgements but where do they come from? It comes from models role models in real life. My mother “dad’s don’t do that” dad’s who don’t do that must be good dad’s. This knowledge is built over time. Another example “to destroy a Bible is a sin” -don’t destroy that bible!
    Love it and cherish it close to your heart. These are my earliest memories of values and judgements against them
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beautiful sky View Post
    I see where you’re coming from. Fi makes value judgements but where do they come from? It comes from models role models in real life. My mother “dad’s don’t do that” dad’s who don’t do that must be good dad’s. This knowledge is built over time. Another example “to destroy a Bible is a sin” -don’t destroy that bible!
    Love it and cherish it close to your heart. These are my earliest memories of values and judgements against them
    If that would be the case, than most people would be adept at Fi, but many of them aren't. I do not agree with you, I believe I was born with the capacity of a innate moral compass, which obviously had to be developed, but it would have developed even when it would have met counter forces (and it did). I have one brother who also has the same moral compass and developed it against all odds. Another brother of mine doesn't have such a compass, but is receptive to such information from his dual wife and leads a stable life. Then I had another brother, who lacked a moral compass, and developed into a drugs criminal and a womanizer, screwing every woman who was willing to spread her legs for him (and an astounding number of women did). He died last year from a cerebral haemorrhage, all alone, drenched in his own blood before he was found three days after he probably died.
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