Me too. I often think every word closely related to it, such as "come", is my own name.Originally Posted by Baby
Me too. I often think every word closely related to it, such as "come", is my own name.Originally Posted by Baby
Binary or dichotomous systems, although regulated by a principle, are among the most artificial arrangements that have ever been invented. -- William Swainson, A Treatise on the Geography and Classification of Animals (1835)
so the movie "cone heads" - has a new meaning?Originally Posted by Cone
I hope Expat gets to read my response to his post.
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I hope to start a thread about how much I actually love Rocky despite my little "attack" on him earlier.
By "craving" I meant that people desire to feel the dual-seeking function in others - that's why it is the dual-seeking function.Originally Posted by Arcanum
By I meant not its use in a direct, aggressive way, but in the sense of I-will-say-what-I-have-to-to-get-what-I-want.
And I meant that only in the sense of being conned by ESTps in particular, I think other types will be vulnerable in other areas.
, LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
Originally Posted by implied
I support such statement. That is actually so true for me also. After a while I realize how people really are, but not from the start. Maybe because of an idealistic view on relations, that I expect them to be some way which they finally turn out not to be. Not necesarily I wouldn't have the capacity to see, but I keep this hope that all people have good intentions and consequently continue to be disappointed.Originally Posted by Pedro-the-Lion
I feel like being different so I'm going to approach this from the other direction...
Assuming said conman/bullshit-artist is an ESTp, the types least likely to fall for their crap are the dominants. We tend to know exactly what they're up to (and this can be applied to other types and their duals/semi-duals).
In that light, perhaps types with in the super-ego block are morely likely to fall prey to the ESTp schemes.
Expat wrote:
Consciously or unconsciously?By "craving" I meant that people desire to feel the dual-seeking function in others - that's why it is the dual-seeking function.
I can see how the 'I-will-say-what-I-have-to-to-get-what-I-want' attitude combined with accurate knowledge of manipulation could make an effective conman.By I meant not its use in a direct, aggressive way, but in the sense of .
And I meant that only in the sense of being conned by ESTps in particular, I think other types will be vulnerable in other areas.
Are most conpeople ESTP's? I could see other types do it under desperation.
There are conmen of any types... ESTps are probably just the ones who get away with it. They say everything with absolute certainty, you need to be quite confident in your own knowledge or perception to pick them up on it.Originally Posted by Arcanum
No need for that... I just thought your words were a little too extreme.Originally Posted by Megan
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Your saying that we are one unique person despite how much a personality might make us behave or think. I always felt that way.Originally Posted by fever
“We cannot change the cards we are dealt, just how we play the hand.” Randy Pausch
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@ishy: bullshit. you know what they're doing but go along with it anyway. you're lame that way ( people)
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We do suck, don't we?
Binary or dichotomous systems, although regulated by a principle, are among the most artificial arrangements that have ever been invented. -- William Swainson, A Treatise on the Geography and Classification of Animals (1835)
Edited for gayness.
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This is true... I don't know why, thoughOriginally Posted by Pedro-the-Lion
At least there are no *real* surprises.
That hasn't been my experience. The first reaction of my ESFj then gf, upon meeting my ESTp office colleague, was to say "such a poseur, he was putting up a show trying to impress me" and she made similar comments when meeting an ESTp acquaintance of mine. I can't imagine my ESFj mother falling for an ESTp con man. I think they can spot their lack of very easily.Originally Posted by Polly_G
They're semi-duals. But I haven't seen that work in practice for those types.Originally Posted by Polly_G
On the spot.Originally Posted by Polly_G
I'd say more unconsciously.Originally Posted by Arcanum
I don't know if most "professional" con people are ESTps and of course other types could also do it. I think ESTps are probably the type for which acting as a con man on a daily basis - even without being a "professional" one - comes most naturally. as first function backed by and with PoLR - the recipe for a con man.Originally Posted by Arcanum
On INFjs, I was just thinking that they'd probably not be easily conned by their conflictor.
, LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
Originally Posted by implied
Now that I think about it more you are probably right. My ESFj mother would have odd suspicions about some people that were right on cue. I just don't always listen to her suspicians...actually, I block out a lot of what she says lol.That hasn't been my experience. The first reaction of my ESFj then gf, upon meeting my ESTp office colleague, was to say "such a poseur, he was putting up a show trying to impress me" and she made similar comments when meeting an ESTp acquaintance of mine. I can't imagine my ESFj mother falling for an ESTp con man. I think they can spot their lack of very easily.
I'm trying to think of type of two who I know have been close friends for years with ESTps.....I 'think' they were ESFps. They were both messy I remember that. They actually reminded me of me in some aspects so was kind of suprised how loyal they were to her.
One positive attribute about the ESTps I knew were they did a lot of things for people (more than I would) but it was kind of weird. She would offer to do something for someone and do it, then tell other people but make it sound almost like the person was using her. But it was like she was begging to be used at the same time. At first, I thought she was one of the most generous people I knew but then I saw that generousity had a price tag.
Polly
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Over-active hidden agenda - "to be loved".Originally Posted by Polly_G
, LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
Originally Posted by implied