Polikujm Discussion

[Waddlesworth]

So are you going to tell me about your cultured background in socionics and how you apply this vice to me being of a certain thought process? Right now you're not making much of a point even though you're trying. I know you want to help, but someone of less knowledge to the situation isn't bound to help anyone.

I am of the opinion that you have a Bohemian/emo flare to you. You may not label it as such, but this is how I define it relating it to what I see in the world. It seems that you dye your hair, is this true?

Ti is a function connected with the primordial, with the logos. a Ti as leading is not going to be dying his hair and composing music 'that goes for an epic' sound. Ti is very concentrated intelligence with alot gravity and is very devaluing. This is not your leading function.

That is my conclusion, which could be wrong.

I guess you are ENXP.

As for your comments about my proficiency in typing:
I am simply trying not to be pretentious like most others on this forum. I am practicing my art of this.

So when I say I am unsure, I am just expressing what everyone else really feels inside.

I mean nothing personal. You seem like a nice, intelligent guy who I can relate to in a variety of ways.

My advice to you is you hit the hills and get as far away from socionics as you can.

[BlackCat]

I am of the opinion that you have a Bohemian/emo flare to you. You may not label it as such, but this is how I define it relating it to what I see in the world. It seems that you dye your hair, is this true?

Ti is a function connected with the primordial, with the logos. a Ti as leading is not going to be dying his hair and composing music 'that goes for an epic' sound. Ti is very concentrated intelligence with alot gravity and is very devaluing. This is not your leading function.

That is my conclusion, which could be wrong.

I guess you are ENXP.

I can safely say that I'm pretty well informed on how Polikujm is. I've known him for several months on other forums and we've been talking for a while.

I don't think he's emo or anything... and dying one's hair is a showing of individuality... which is a human trait and not a type trait. He may look "emo" because he's tired in a lot of his pictures (or looks tired)... and being tired changes how you look. That doesn't make him emo... I don't even know where you got that from. That was totally random and doesn't apply to type.

This is the same thing for music... That really seems sketchy to say certain types would like an epic feel to their music and certain types wouldn't. That just seems like a personal preference, not really a type trait. Not sure how Ti =/= epic feel. So... because of his music he cannot be a Ti lead? What?

From my knowing him for several months he's not an ENxp... not at all. He's INTj. We've gotten personal, talked about personal things, I have really seen his personality show through. I'm certain he's INTj. He is an Ne subtype... and yeah that shows through in that he uses Ne more and such.

[Waddlesworth]

From my knowing him for several months he's not an ENxp... not at all. He's INTj. We've gotten personal, talked about personal things, I have really seen his personality show through. I'm certain he's INTj. He is an Ne subtype... and yeah that shows through in that he uses Ne more and such.

His physiology seems to indicate otherwise. The shape and volume of his cranium is a dead giveaway. He is not LII.

[BlackCat]

His physiology seems to indicate otherwise. The shape and volume of his cranium is a dead giveaway. He is not LII.

VI can be insightful in telling some aspects of someone... but wtf. Is this your only basis for him not being LII? VI is NOT this reliable or useful. I'd say VI is useful to get somewhat of an idea... but isn't a sure fire way of typing someone. For instance I got typed as a gamma introvert in my VI thread, which was dead accurate. But other than that stuff was sketchy. I got VI'd as ILI or SLI by a lot of people... which isn't accurate.

Physiology isn't as reliable as personality or how someone is. Not at all. Do you have any real basis for him not being an LII? If no then basically what you're saying and your insight is useless.

[BlackCat]

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...ead-vi-me.html

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...-polikujm.html

People are saying alpha-NT and INTj. There's the VI thread and the other thread for typing him. Most people are saying INTj though.

Just from my knowing him there is no way he's an ILE.

[Waddlesworth]

VI can be insightful in telling some aspects of someone... but wtf. Is this your only basis for him not being LII? VI is NOT this reliable or useful. I'd say VI is useful to get somewhat of an idea... but isn't a sure fire way of typing someone. For instance I got typed as a gamma introvert in my VI thread, which was dead accurate. But other than that stuff was sketchy. I got VI'd as ILI or SLI by a lot of people... which isn't accurate.

Physiology isn't as reliable as personality or how someone is. Not at all. Do you have any real basis for him not being an LII? If no then basically what you're saying and your insight is useless.

Assuming everything that is real can be understood:

If he understood the type system he would know his type.

He does not know his type.

So we can safely assume he does not understand the type system.

So naively he asks people to tell him his type...

When it would be smarter to ask them how to understand the type system.

This seems to imply that no one understands the type system.

So he is asking people to tell him his type, when they don't understand the type system.

If they don't understand type system then they can't tell him what his type is.

He is behaving irrationally. This indicates his rationality is only partially conscious.

To conclude; the type system does not seem to be real, because no one can understand it.

[717495]

You assume too much for a duck.

[BlackCat]

[Waddlesworth]

You assume too much for a duck.

I will have you know, good sir, that this comment really wet my appetite!

Tonight, with my mouth watering for the taste of duck, I purchased a platter of Wor Shew Duck from my local Chinese Restaurant.

I received two fortune cookies:

"When you're carrying a grudge, others are out dancing."

"It is best to act with confidence, no matter how little right you have to it."

How fitting!

[717495]

His physiology seems to indicate otherwise. The shape and volume of his cranium is a dead giveaway. He is not LII.

You make me wish my cranium was smaller so I wouldn't have to fit all this crap in there.

First of all, you have no access to the shape of my cranium. I have long hair in my photos. Secondly, you really just don't know how to VI and are using your results from it in a nonprofessional manner. If you don't think I VI as an LII, you are denying that of most LIIs.

[717495]

Waddlesworth. It seems as though you provided your way of typing, which shows no connection to the sources of socionics. I have no advice for you, however. Your understanding of the information elements is visibly fixed to but a few conventions that imply no understanding of my behaviors or intentions. What it does imply is an exact opposite to this, as you believe I have PoLR Ti. You don't seem to think or even wait for a decent cue, rather you judge even more rashly than I, no pun intended.

[Waddlesworth]

Waddlesworth. It seems as though you provided your way of typing, which shows no connection to the sources of socionics. I have no advice for you, however. Your understanding of the information elements is visibly fixed to but a few conventions that imply no understanding of my behaviors or intentions. What it does imply is an exact opposite to this, as you believe I have PoLR Ti. You don't seem to think or even wait for a decent cue, rather you judge even more rashly than I, no pun intended.

Of course you are entitled to your opinion on this matter.

It is untrue to claim that I believe that you have Ti as a "PoLR".

It is untrue to claim that my typing methods have no connection to the sources of socionics. My method is at the very base and core of what socionics is and every word you read from me is born from the programming dictated from a central, axiomatic nucleus.

This axiomatic nucleus was given to me in 2006 because of something that I was doing at the time. The axiomatic nucleus is essentially alive and is evolving, as any organism in the consciousness should be.

As a result everything I say on this forum is formidable and definitive. Most importantly it is formidable and definitive for me.

[717495]

As a result everything I say on this forum is formidable and definitive. Most importantly it is formidable and definitive for me.

Your typing method is insulting.

[Waddlesworth]

Your typing method is insulting.

you simply misunderstand it. If I at any point insult you I apologize in advance.