Where is Gul in all this mess? Let's discuss 3w4

[Creepy-male]

Whatever my actual type is, I am undoubtedly sx/sp. This is fairly certain in my mind. So you can stick that so in your pipe 'n smoke it, thanks.

Let's look at the case for Three:

Strong need to pinpoint and define who I actually am. I feel like a nebulous misty mass of everyone. And to me, that sucks. (I'll discuss Four later.)

Unconsciously acting up a particular part based on how I think that should be. Just look at my entrance to these forums when I tried to tell everyone I was a SEI

Actively working on a particular image I want to project.

And for Seven:

Mach 10 mind. I'm also unreasonably proud of this.

I am a serious quitter. Seriously. I recall moving between enthusiastic and excited to deflated in bored in the span of 20 minutes (when I was working on typing Australian PMs).

I learn things quickly, but generally not in any significant depth. I paraphrase a schoolfriend: "It worries me sometimes when you don't know what I'm talking about. It's so unusual."

I am morbidly afraid of boredom. I'm scared shitless of it. Been there, done that... and I don't want it to happen again.

Related to the above, I have a miracle ability to find something--anything--to do, even if it gets as far as meditating (but this is my Last Resort).

Against Seven:

Why am I still worrying about this after four years? Why don't I go in for "elaborate future planning" or "work"? I don't count being a recreation junkie as "working"--but if the point is just that it's phrenetic activity, I could pay that.

Against Three:

On the one hand, I don't want people to fall in love with an illusion. I don't want that to dilute The Real Human Experience. On the other, I work hard on making a specific impression that serves my own ends. This is confusing for me.

More points:

I'm not ruling out Four. I think it's likely.

I'm a freakin' teenager. This is probably pretty normal.

I forgot what I was going to put here.

[unefille]

I don't want to sound harsh here, but NO.

Let's look at the case for Three:

Strong need to pinpoint and define who I actually am. I feel like a nebulous misty mass of everyone. And to me, that sucks. (I'll discuss Four later.)

Unconsciously acting up a particular part based on how I think that should be. Just look at my entrance to these forums when I tried to tell everyone I was a SEI

Actively working on a particular image I want to project.

None of these go beyond the mere surface of three-ish image issues and they're not exactly correct anyway. Threes are not the only people in the world who project an image or who attempt to 'improve' themselves. And threes don't feel like a 'nebulous misty mass of everyone' nor are they often aware of their 'lack of identity'. Which by the way, I have. And also, threes craft themselves to fit their images -- your 'identity changes' through like, a 3rd of socion involved NO change in you and mostly just barraging the message board trying to convince people you were a certain type by announcing you were whilst the tone of your posts and the way in which you conducted yourself remained typically ADD-esque and hyper. Threes don't 'announce'; they let others recognise when they've become.

Good luck with your identity search.

[Creepy-male]

Sweet! You've ruled out Three. Seeing as how you are one, and with the same stacking, I'll say that Three is permanently discarded as an option.

And comments on Fours?

[Mediator Kam]

7w1 rick subtype.

[ArchonAlarion]

7w1 rick subtype.

Preposterous!

[Creepy-male]

7w1 rick subtype.

7w9 Gul suptype.

[MellowMarcello]

You are almost as georgeous as me!

[Creepy-male]

I now think I'm a 9w8. I'm still not entirely sure about my stacking beyond sp-last, though.

• I find myself increasingly detached from things that seem like heady romanticism or idealism. "What has this got to do with me and my world?"
• I tend to easily become angry and pick fights. This is self-evident if you've been following my forum behaviour over a decent period of time. The thing is, I get bored or calm down and suddenly don't want to be involved in something unpleasant and straining like ongoing conflict.
• Day-to-day, I'm probably much more focused on sensory and "Si things"*. I appreciate that this isn't the face I show the world, and that many of you probably are scratching your heads (Krig especially, am I right?)
• I'm very impulsive.
• When I'm focused on getting something done, I get it done on impulse. It itches at me madly otherwise.
• E9 in general, but a subtle difference to highlight, considering the above point: I'm a slacker, and often wind up distracted from doing things I don't really want to do.
• I'm basically shy, but once I feel invited to be open, I'm very gregarious**. I need that invitation however, or I'm very reserved and polite.
• I don't consider myself intellectual. I do come from a background of swanky private education, and I'm reasonably intelligent, however.
• Related to the above, I'm highly intuitive.
• Most people seem to wind up liking me, with no active involvement on my part.

*There's a quote about Nines:

"The inner landscape of the Nine resembles someone riding a bicycle on a beautiful day, enjoying everything about the flow of the experience. The whole picture, the entire situation, is what is pleasant and identified with rather than any particular part. The inner world of Nines is this experience of effortless oneness: their sense of self comes from being at one with their experience. Naturally, they would like to preserve the quality of oneness with the environment as much as possible."

"Si stuff" for me is like the guy on the bicycle. Like, going out for a walk on a balmy Autumn evening, feeling the wind, hearing the trees rustling, and just sinking into experiencing everything happening around me. This is part of the reason why I so strongly identified with being Si DS: I had DS and Base confused. Because, you know, your DS is the driving, central force in your existence, right? The thing you absolutely focus on above all else?

**Ishaquote. "You're very gregarious for a shy person. In fact, you're very gregarious for a non-shy person."

[UDP]

I think going to college will make you reevaluate yourself, which is good. I'm rather skeptical about a w8. I think the conception of yourself as an SEI 9w8 is a bit odd, but, I think it may be good in that you're reconfiguring things.

I speculate: you're dealing with new experience, especially in regard to "E8 things" like sexuality, aggressiveness, "challenge" "lust", etc in a new way.

I think it may be more likely that you're "not SEI", although I still see that the case, or simply not E9. I think it's also important to consider what it means to be a certain enneagram type.

I think it is good to see what happens when you experience a brand new social setting like this at college - you should be figuring some things out about yourself as you do. So enjoy the exploration.


PS: also, I don't really notice any changes in you that would indicate you're actually not 9w1.

[Creepy-male]

I think going to college will make you reevaluate yourself, which is good. I'm rather skeptical about a w8. I think the conception of yourself as an SEI 9w8 is a bit odd, but, I think it may be good in that you're reconfiguring things.

One distinction I've picked up on is "bodily 9" vs "mental 9". Any Senser makes sense as a 9w8, thus. Plus, I can drag DCNH into this and say that I'm a C-SEI with strengthened Se (BG is possibly another 9w8, and I would say he's a H-SEI with strengthened Si; similarity: both are "more sensory" than either D- or N- SEIs (think Kam and Bee, one is E4 for sure, the other either of 9w1 or E4)). Ishaquote: "You're not meek". But I'm definitely accommodating and self-effacing like you would expect a Nine to be, and I have other SEI-like qualities that mix in with being E9 as well.

This'll be a bit of a "bear with me" paragraph until I actually get some decent arguments in.

I speculate: you're dealing with new experience, especially in regard to "E8 things" like sexuality, aggressiveness, "challenge" "lust", etc in a new way.

It's more like the converse: I think a lot of my personality has been obscured by my super-ego, which I'm in the process of gradually telling to put a sock in it. Anyway, this is only a small part of why I think I'm 9w8; the main things are trying to account for various aspects of myself that come up thinking back on how I tend to act.

I think it may be more likely that you're "not SEI", although I still see that the case, or simply not E9. I think it's also important to consider what it means to be a certain enneagram type.

At this point, I would find it hard to accept any typing other than SEI or E9.

PS: also, I don't really notice any changes in you that would indicate you're actually not 9w1.

That's good, because 9w1->9w8 is not because of "I've changed". As I said above, it's mostly considering who I am/how I act or have behaved in the past.

EDIT

In your latest post, you were addressing an Enneagram discussion in Socionics terms :/

Then again, so was I.

[UDP]

If it works for you a few weeks from now, too, then I won't have any major problems with it. BG is an interesting example.

[electric sheep]

You're nothing like BG, imo.

typewatch material:

9w8 is about calmness(nine) from a position of strength(eight). They choose to be calm as opposed to feeling they have to maintain being calm to avoid conflict or estrangement like a 9w1. They don't invite conflict but don't shy away from it either as they nip conflict in the bud as quickly as possible. They are the most "chill" of the instinctive triaders. They have the best balance in their personal boundaries as they are halfway in between being a doormat and dominating others. This is why they are generally the most likeable of all subtypes.

9w8 is called the "comfort-seeker" and wants to make life easier for themselves. They are firmly grounded in their bodies with an emphasis on being physically comfortable. Hardly anything bothers them. They aren't nearly as hard on themselves as 9w1s. They are easygoing but can be direct with others if forced out of their comfort zone as they are much more assertive than their 9w1 siblings. While they have a bias towards letting things work out on their own they have no problem stepping in and settling things.

Didn't you once say relaxing bothers you? That's very un-9like. I thought you were right on with 6w7. You have that authority complex

Pretty sure you're so/sx, but you might be so/sp too, don't rule that out.

[UDP]

I now think I'm a 9w8. I'm still not entirely sure about my stacking beyond sp-last, though.

• I find myself increasingly detached from things that seem like heady romanticism or idealism. "What has this got to do with me and my world?"

I think that's just maturing somewhat, becoming more healthy.

• I tend to easily become angry and pick fights. This is self-evident if you've been following my forum behaviour over a decent period of time. The thing is, I get bored or calm down and suddenly don't want to be involved in something unpleasant and straining like ongoing conflict.

Picking fights isn't related to "8ness". Maybe you're just experiening a testosterone rush being around so many GIRLSSSSS

Day-to-day, I'm probably much more focused on sensory and "Si things"*. I appreciate that this isn't the face I show the world, and that many of you probably are scratching your heads (Krig especially, am I right?

Yeah, that doesn't make any sense. That seems to imply more that you're... you know, Si ego, or something like that.

• I'm very impulsive. Ok?
  
• When I'm focused on getting something done, I get it done on impulse. It itches at me madly otherwise. That doesn't really mean anything, maybe just irrationality / catering to Si somehow
• E9 in general, but a subtle difference to highlight, considering the above point: I'm a slacker, and often wind up distracted from doing things I don't really want to do. Ok
• I'm basically shy, but once I feel invited to be open, I'm very gregarious**. I need that invitation however, or I'm very reserved and polite. That is not at all uncommon for SEIs, or sometimes Fi valuing people.
• I don't consider myself intellectual. I do come from a background of swanky private education, and I'm reasonably intelligent, however. Well you must be very proud of yourself.
• Related to the above, I'm highly intuitive. But not in a socionics way, right?
• Most people seem to wind up liking me, with no active involvement on my part. reminds me of some ethical types.
  

**Ishaquote. "You're very gregarious for a shy person. In fact, you're very gregarious for a non-shy person."

I'm not sure how to interpret the meaning of that.

Perhaps that's actually pointing away from 9w8, because, they aren't exactly flamboyant in some stereotypes of them. (Think clint eastwood).

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

I think the enneatypes are just guideposts. I think you have all types inside of you at all times, and the problem is being fixated on any one type. I mean you're at your healthiest, anybody is- when they're not so hung up on their identity, they're just living life and being themselves, right?

If you let things go to your head so much, you start saying things like 'I can't do this because I'm not that type of person.' It's really limiting, although we'll always have preferences, and that's okay! You're still unique and an individual, in fact MORE unique and more individual when you stop worrying about what type you are.

You can be a 9 and a 6 at the same time, even a 6 and 4 at the same time which is what I'm usually at. You can even have days when you feel like a 1, 8 and 4.

The true nature of our inner realities and internal realms are transient. They are like colors that change. They aren't something fixed. You all are needlessly institutionalizing yourselves. The whole point of enneagram is that, you aren't a 'type' you need to integrate all the parts of yourself.

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

You need to reconnect your identity with all the outside world, and pay attention and realize that, (numbers not necessarily correlated with their enneagram type)

1. 'Okay it's time for me to be emo and introspective here'
2. 'It's time for me to make art.'
3. 'It's time for me to challenge that other person, call them out on their shit.'
4. 'It's time for me to work on my image and external success.'
5. 'It's time for me to do a varied array of activities until I get it right.'
6. 'It's time for me to be logical and analytical here.'

and etc. etc.

[Creepy-male]

Do I look more like an E8 or an E1 to you?

Another way of asking, which of E8 and E1 am I more reminiscent of, in your opinion?

[krieger]

Definitely neither.

[Creepy-male]

Definitely neither.

Between the two?

I'm not questioning my type, btw. It really is just a random question.

[Brilliand]

As this is a "more" question, I would consider it proper to indicate that 6 is closer to 3551 than it is to 3892, so to speak...

I would favor E8.

[717495]

Which one do you personally think?

[Creepy-male]

Which one do you personally think?

Without a mirror, can I see my own eyes?

[Creepy-male]

As this is a "more" question, I would consider it proper to indicate that 6 is closer to 3551 than it is to 3892, so to speak...

I would favor E8.

*thread galvanise*

Why E8?

[Brilliand]

*thread galvanise*

Why E8?

I view E1 as primarily rigid, whereas E8 gives me the impression of competence or confidence; I find the latter to fit you better than the former. That is, as Diana noted, "not rigid" is a defining trait of yours; and E1 is more distinctly rigid than E8 is.

[Creepy-male]

Any ideas? How would I go about figuring this out?

[Creepy-male]

Here is where I would start, but I am very top down about this.... I'm assuming you know enough about yourself on the "ground" level for this to be useful.

But the heart fix is about a single issue, concisely stated that is....

"Am I a worthy human being"

It's your feelings of self-worth... emphasis on FEELINGS of worth. Very much like self-esteem in a way. The three types represent orientations, strategies, and viewpoints surrounding this issue of self-worth.

2's look externally for this self-worth, looking to help others out, so they feel validated as a person through their compassionate acts, the downside is... they can become possessive and have a hidden agenda to help to make themselves feel worthy rather than out of genuine compassion.

4's look internally for this self-worth, looking to find what makes them unique and special in themselves and therefore worthy.... they can become withdrawn though and self-doubting, which appears to others as self-absorbion and unhealthy fantasy and wish fulfillment. What drives this unhealthy fantasy is the feeling they are mundane and worthless, so they spend time idealizing themselves as what they'd like to be, but aren't... given enough time this can lead to delusions about their self-image and their fantasies begin taking on a darker tinge to them. 4's also while withdrawn, see this uniqueness in others, making them a romantic, but like themselves they struggle with over idealization of their mates and fantasy. It's typical for 4's to be in love with an idealization of another person and completely unavailable to the real person, because they are withdrawn and self absorbed.

3's look to balance the internal and external aspects of self-worth, looking to find a way to integrate what's unique in them with the world around them in a productive no-nonsense way. They aren't as clingy and possessive as the 2, and not as emo as the 4, but they suffer a completely different way. Their integration between the external world and internal world is down primarily through their self-image, and they can fall into the problem of loosing their authenticity by becoming overly focus on the image. At first the idea is the image presents the internal self to the outer world as a form of expression, but when unhealthy, the image becomes more important than the inner self. They back down and form a faccade to put only a good foot forward in society, modeling their image after the idea of success in the society they are in. They become phony and narcissistic.



This information of course is all useless unless you have a good sense of understanding about you on the "grounded" level, and by that I mean, understanding how you actually behave and feel in everyday life. You should take some time to examine your thoughts/feelings/experience on the issue of self-worth, and then try to connect the material here with that information.

It's pretty clear once you do that... I can for example without a doubt identify myself as e4w3. Wings are also important to establish orientation and leaning. In truth everything with the enneagram is more fluid and gradient like in my opinion than 9 little boxes.... the boxes are just a convenient way to think, but once you understand these, you can go about the deconstruction of these boundaries.

[Creepy-male]

"Am I a worthy human being"

I don't know, I'm a Nine

Out of those, 3 is probably the best, but it's of course my point of integration, and thus fairly intimately interwoven into my base type (maybe just because I'm a Nine? I can relate a lot to Sixey issues, especially around loyalty and finding my own opinions, for instance).

My subjective feelings on my self worth are typically that I have none, so I just try to ignore them. Usually I try to bolster my self-worth through things I do. World of Warcraft currently sees the most extreme version of this: I actively pursue being more skilled than everyone else, more knowledgeable about everything than everyone else, more prepared, more dedicated, and working harder than everyone else. Then and only then can I sit comfortably in a group of people (like my raiding group) and know, without a doubt, that I'm an equal.

Similarly in pick-up groups, as a tank, I try very hard to be the warrior-fu master who has all his keys bounds, knows the inner machinery of his class like an artisan clockmaker, and is an all-round swell guy, purely so that people will love me. I even feel a bit of pressure that this is an image I have to live up to or I won't be loved at all.

Random strangers on the internet.

IRL, I've often gotten wrapped up automagically following other people's ideas for me. The person you're talking to now is largely a caricature of myself because my dad wanted me as a kid to be more friendly and bubble and blah blah. The person I play on my warrior is a caricature as well in that he's very self-aggrandising in a really silly, ironic way. I pretend to be someone pretending to be someone with a huge ego (in a really silly way, so that people pick up on the fact that it's not entirely serious). Going the hard yard to learn my class really well and play it as damn hard as I can is sincere though, but patting myself on the back in party chat for being badass is not.

I've also always been drawn to performing. As a kid I wanted to be a stand-up comedian (I also wanted pokémon to be real so I had guardians and companions I could rely on, and I always loved Oak telling me how fantastic the relationship between me and my pokémon was and how we were BEST BUDS and the POWAH OF FRIENDSHIP HELPED US PREVAIL, but that's probably neither here nor there). Nowadays I'm fascinated by genuine acting, even if I'm completely frustrated by my lack of talent in expression.

[Creepy-male]

"Am I a worthy human being"

I don't know, I'm a Nine

Out of those, 3 is probably the best, but it's of course my point of integration, and thus fairly intimately interwoven into my base type (maybe just because I'm a Nine? I can relate a lot to Sixey issues, especially around loyalty and finding my own opinions, for instance).

My subjective feelings on my self worth are typically that I have none, so I just try to ignore them. Usually I try to bolster my self-worth through things I do. World of Warcraft currently sees the most extreme version of this: I actively pursue being more skilled than everyone else, more knowledgeable about everything than everyone else, more prepared, more dedicated, and working harder than everyone else. Then and only then can I sit comfortably in a group of people (like my raiding group) and know, without a doubt, that I'm an equal.

Similarly in pick-up groups, as a tank, I try very hard to be the warrior-fu master who has all his keys bounds, knows the inner machinery of his class like an artisan clockmaker, and is an all-round swell guy, purely so that people will love me. I even feel a bit of pressure that this is an image I have to live up to or I won't be loved at all.

Random strangers on the internet.

IRL, I've often gotten wrapped up automagically following other people's ideas for me. The person you're talking to now is largely a caricature of myself because my dad wanted me as a kid to be more friendly and bubble and blah blah. The person I play on my warrior is a caricature as well in that he's very self-aggrandising in a really silly, ironic way. I pretend to be someone pretending to be someone with a huge ego (in a really silly way, so that people pick up on the fact that it's not entirely serious). Going the hard yard to learn my class really well and play it as damn hard as I can is sincere though, but patting myself on the back in party chat for being badass is not.

I've also always been drawn to performing. As a kid I wanted to be a stand-up comedian (I also wanted pokémon to be real so I had guardians and companions I could rely on, and I always loved Oak telling me how fantastic the relationship between me and my pokémon was and how we were BEST BUDS and the POWAH OF FRIENDSHIP HELPED US PREVAIL, but that's probably neither here nor there). Nowadays I'm fascinated by genuine acting, even if I'm completely frustrated by my lack of talent in expression.

Lol I don't know but I'd cut out the WoW analysis, and focus on your real life, and your feelings of self-worth surrounding that. Think globally. Analyzing the warrior you play in WoW isn't going to be a telling sign.

Think of stuff like your role in society, your relationships with people, and feelings you have about yourself when you look at your picture, look in the mirror and so forth. Do you think you play a worthy role in society, do you feel like people in relationship find you worthy, do you look into the mirror and feel worthy or are you a bit repulsed or unsatisfied with yourself? Those may be good starting grounds.

Even if these question are somewhat complicated, in attempting to answer something like "do I play a worthy role in society"... this may lead you to begin thinking about issues surrounding this, and those issues are telling of your feelings, which can then be deconstructed and matched to enneagram descriptions.

[Creepy-male]

I guess I'm too internally focused to really have a role in society. I largely view it in terms of it being a separate system that doesn't have a whole lot to do with me. A lot of my desire is to have a mutual non-interference pact. This is my typical relationship with any impersonal system.

Socially, with people, my role is basically the clown. I wear a very charming, happy persona because that's what I was taught was expected of me. It's sadly a role I don't "own", even though I view myself at my core to be a performer, and most of my deceptive behaviour is well and truly a conscious performance.

Most of my self-worth is really internal. I have this constant drive to polish away at my perceived shortcomings. I wouldn't say I have an "ideal image" of myself. I feel a sense of pride in myself knowing that I'm free from things others suffer with due to my work. I feel like an artisan in the craft of myself. That "artisan" feeling is important to me in a lot of things.

Part of me wants to be loved and admired for that. I feel on the one hand from within that I want to be the best person I can be, just to prove to the world that really wonderful people exist, to gain a sense of self-satisfaction, and something else.

[Aleksei]

The heart fix represents shame -- how one copes with feelings of worthlessness. 2 copes with shame by seeking to be liked and appreciated by others. 3 seeks to suppress its shame entirely by presenting an image of success to the outside world. 4s cope by accepting themselves as they are, and convincing themselves that if other people don't like them for it, then fuck them.

2w3 fix sounds right for you imo. 5w4 actually doesn't though.

[Creepy-male]

Points in favour of E5:

• I need space. And more than space, I need my space. My home is my castle. I feel claustrophobic and overwhelmed when my space is lost.
• I feel like people's expectations of me are unbearable burdens.
• I often feel the need to hoard my energy, I feel this really acutely when other people tax it, like they're going to suck me dry.
• I approach a large majority of things head-first.
• I like to take time to think about things. The analogy of a baseball game on enneagramcentral.com rings really true for me:
  "Fives love to replay and rehearse. If the baseball game is on Sunday, they mentally rehearse it on Friday and Saturday, play on Sunday and replay it in their minds on Monday and Tuesday."
• I like analysing and understanding things. I'm pretty willing to engage people by sharing my observations. One of my ESE friends commented that if he ever wants to learn a game or a person inside and out he'll just put me on the case for a day or two then have me report back. This is a pretty good observation, I learn people and things and the way they work inside and out really fast and try and predict things ahead of time, long before I start taking action. Except Socionics. I've taken my sweet time with this beautiful complicated mess.
• Related to the above: engage people through my observations, yes. Through anything else? That paddles like intimacy, has a bill like intimacy, and is shaped like intimacy. Chances are good it's not an elephant attending a fancy dress party as intimacy. No; not doing it, goodbye.
• Action happens when thinking is no longer possible. Not before.
• I identify a lot with needing to understand things, and being an observer moreso than a participant.
• I have a difficult relationship with my own emotions. I get anxious over the potential they hold to overwhelm me.
• I depersonalise when other people make me uncomfortable; I'll replay events in my head and analyse them from a third-party perspective.
• I get lost inside my mind frequently, when I'm puzzling something through. Could be E9 though, see below.

Points in favour of E9:

• I'm very unfocused.
• My thinking is slow and gradual, I as much ruminate until I get a lightbulb as I do actively research and attack a problem in my head.
• The description of Nines as having a two-way switch between auto-pilot action and deep daydreaming rings fairly true for me, even though I have a big tendency toward the daydreaming side.
• I just do. not. focus. If I start an activity I'll kind of just drift into a walking trance and get lost in whatever I'm going. I've gone on walks that have lasted hours on end without realising it, or I can get lost in housework or chores for an hour or more and it'll feel like mere moments. Thinking something through when I get inspired is one of the worst offenders here, I've lost a couple nights of sleep this past week thinking and reading up on 5 vs 9. To no avail
• "Deliberate and drifty" would describe my cognitive rhythm and pace of life really well.
• I tend to get caught up in mediating conflicts a lot. I instinctively try and calm people down and get them to empathise. It's a knee-jerk reaction. I've been doing this all week in WoW (P.S. this forum is filled with angry and fucked up people, so half the time it isn't worth reacquainting people with the bigger picture. Don't take my picking fights and being a dick to people as indicative of anything meaningful.)
• Action happens when thinking is no longer possible. Not after.
• I certainly ramble like a Nine!

Points in favour of either:

• I live in my head.
• I feel really uncomfortable when people "invade" my emotions. I feel like I'm sitting on a wellspring that's waiting to drown me, so I need to jealously guard my inner world from anything that could unsettle it. (This could be E9 as well.) NEED. NEED. NEED.
• Emotional and pushy people are suffocating and terrifying for me. Sometimes even just bubbly and "over-friendly" make me feel a little smothered.

At this point I don't really doubt I'm a self-pres type. sp Nine and sp Five are annoyingly ambiguous though.

That's all for now. May post later as I think of things, if I think of anything else.

EDIT

Possibly not that it means anything, but I'm really fond of my doggie in my avatar. Look at him, he's wearing glasses and is poring over books. That's my self-image at the moment.

[Galen]

You are sooooooo not a 5. Shame on you for even considering it.

If you get to be a 5 then so do I.

[Creepy-male]

Shame on me for considering it? Was that IEE irony?

[Galen]

Shame on me for considering it? Was that IEE irony?

I don't think that constitutes as any form of irony; I was half-joking if that's what you meant to ask.

[crazedrat]

random guess.. 9.

[Korpsy Knievel]

I'm going to be a five, too.

[07490]

The SEI/E5 combination is highly improbable.

this is the most interesting I have ever heard in this forum.

[Creepy-male]

The SEI/E5 combination is highly improbable.

Out of curiosity, because I've been trying to get concrete etype/sociotype impossibilities, why do you think that?