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    Why not take him to boxing lessons, he'll get rid of his agression and you might get a new world heavy weight champion in your family, he'll make lot's of money, though loses all again by law suits of the women he rapes, but you get to keep his two tiger pets!

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    A good way of making lively people take things easy is making them joining a soccer team or something like that. If he lets all his energy go out when training he will be less unpredictable when the training is over, mainly because he'll be tired.

    Anyway, I think only kids aged 6 onwards are allowed to join sports teams so...give him a ball and let him play in your garden!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    A good way of making lively people take things easy is making them joining a soccer team or something like that. If he lets all his energy go out when training he will be less unpredictable when the training is over, mainly because he'll be tired.

    Anyway, I think only kids aged 6 onwards are allowed to join sports teams so...give him a ball and let him play in your garden!
    I think an even better option is martial arts. I know an SLE that took martial arts and I've never seen him lose his temper. Martial arts teaches discipline, respect, and most importantly teaches people how to remain mentally calm (and be less negatively reactive)in stressful situations.
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    @Mimosa:

    You're the one who is wrong, not your son. The way he treats you is irrelevant; what matters is the way he treats others. And if he does unpleasant things to others, why is it so strange that they don't want him around?

    It is obvious to me that you disregard the rights of others on this matter. You want everyone to handle him the same way you do: as a parent who forgives everything. But I'll tell you about the situation plain and straight: the world doesn't look at your son the same way you do and you have to accept it. For you he might be the most important person in the world; for others he's just one of millions. That he's liked or not will depend entirely on how he treats others.

    The police has seen such scenes too many times. They raid a house to apprehend a criminal, only for the mother to come out and shout that her son is the sweetest person in the world, incapable of doing any wrong. But the mother usually ignores that her "little angel" actually killed someone in cold blood. (of course, this is only to illustrate my point, I'm not suggesting your son will become a criminal or anything).

    Learn to be impartial and just yourself and your son will learn it from you. Keep treating your son with unconditional indulgence and he will grow to believe he can do anything he wishes.
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    What's his dad's type? He probably needs an ego to teach him his place - that he can't pick a fight with anything and everything. The way you treat him is great for letting him be himself, but he also needs a superior to show him his limits.

    ETA: Getting into boxing/martial arts just might do the trick, especially if the coach is an SLE!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Brilliand View Post
    What's his dad's type? He probably needs an ego to teach him his place - that he can't pick a fight with anything and everything. The way you treat him is great for letting him be himself, but he also needs a superior to show him his limits.

    ETA: Getting into boxing/martial arts just might do the trick, especially if the coach is an SLE!
    Most of the top notch martial art students who has been trained for years are mostly SE ego i have noted, I think yea in contrast to using this art as a weapon, they becomes incrediblely self discipline.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
    1)
    A girl who I want to date, asks me: well first tell me how tall you are?
    My reply: well I will answer that, if you first tell me how much you weigh!

    2)
    A girl I was dating said she was oh so great at sex etc, but she didn't do blowjobs.
    My reply: Oh I'm really romantic etc, I just will never take you out to dinner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikemex View Post
    @Mimosa:

    You're the one who is wrong, not your son. The way he treats you is irrelevant; what matters is the way he treats others. And if he does unpleasant things to others, why is it so strange that they don't want him around?

    It is obvious to me that you disregard the rights of others on this matter. You want everyone to handle him the same way you do: as a parent who forgives everything. But I'll tell you about the situation plain and straight: the world doesn't look at your son the same way you do and you have to accept it. For you he might be the most important person in the world; for others he's just one of millions. That he's liked or not will depend entirely on how he treats others.

    The police has seen such scenes too many times. They raid a house to apprehend a criminal, only for the mother to come out and shout that her son is the sweetest person in the world, incapable of doing any wrong. But the mother usually ignores that her "little angel" actually killed someone in cold blood. (of course, this is only to illustrate my point, I'm not suggesting your son will become a criminal or anything).

    Learn to be impartial and just yourself and your son will learn it from you. Keep treating your son with unconditional indulgence and he will grow to believe he can do anything he wishes.
    It is really also not your relatives fault for not inviting him over. Your relative is obivously welcoming your other daughter to their house, which means that they accept your family, but becuase of your son's behavior, he is not willingly being accepted. It is really their house afterall, you can't be mad at them for not inviting your son especially since it is a fact that they are welcoming one, but not the other, pointing out to you that they want that behavior to stop at their house. I think it is a pretty reasonable and logical thing they point to you that one is and one is not without showing disrespect to completely telling yout everyone in your household is not accepted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
    1)
    A girl who I want to date, asks me: well first tell me how tall you are?
    My reply: well I will answer that, if you first tell me how much you weigh!

    2)
    A girl I was dating said she was oh so great at sex etc, but she didn't do blowjobs.
    My reply: Oh I'm really romantic etc, I just will never take you out to dinner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikemex View Post
    @Mimosa:

    You're the one who is wrong, not your son. The way he treats you is irrelevant; what matters is the way he treats others. And if he does unpleasant things to others, why is it so strange that they don't want him around?

    It is obvious to me that you disregard the rights of others on this matter. You want everyone to handle him the same way you do: as a parent who forgives everything. But I'll tell you about the situation plain and straight: the world doesn't look at your son the same way you do and you have to accept it. For you he might be the most important person in the world; for others he's just one of millions. That he's liked or not will depend entirely on how he treats others.

    The police has seen such scenes too many times. They raid a house to apprehend a criminal, only for the mother to come out and shout that her son is the sweetest person in the world, incapable of doing any wrong. But the mother usually ignores that her "little angel" actually killed someone in cold blood. (of course, this is only to illustrate my point, I'm not suggesting your son will become a criminal or anything).

    Learn to be impartial and just yourself and your son will learn it from you. Keep treating your son with unconditional indulgence and he will grow to believe he can do anything he wishes.
    Wow, what a nice lecture!

    I've met the little boy and I have no problems with him at all. He IS a sweet fun loving kid... And Mimosa is hardly "unconditionally indulgent", whatever gave you that idea? I'd say she is very good at setting limits for her kids and she is very clear what is allowed and what isn't. I'd say the problem is more that other grownups are not as clear or even hypocritical in their actions...
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    yea it is something about it, very down to earth, something I would definity said when I watch "cops" on tv and would say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
    1)
    A girl who I want to date, asks me: well first tell me how tall you are?
    My reply: well I will answer that, if you first tell me how much you weigh!

    2)
    A girl I was dating said she was oh so great at sex etc, but she didn't do blowjobs.
    My reply: Oh I'm really romantic etc, I just will never take you out to dinner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 07490 View Post
    yea it is something about it, very down to earth, something I would definity said when I watch "cops" on tv and would say.
    Tap your sarcasm meter dude :wink:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimosa Pudica View Post
    If I may, I would advice you to not give advices to people without knowing them. You have never SEEN the kid, nor met me, so how can you possibly know what you are talking about? Luckily you don't, and your post actually made as little sense as it possibly could. I had to giggle a bit at the "police storming the house" part.... (You ENFPs really are afraid of SLEs aren't you?)
    Don't get defensive, I'm not attacking you. Just don't expect sympathy from me. Sympathy serves the purpose of reinforcing your already established position on a topic and what you need is to change it because you're wrong. You're blaming others unfairly.

    I don't need to know you or your son to express an opinion on the topic. It seems to me that you're taking Socionics too lightly here. You're not as unique as you think and neither is your son. You say your kid is very mature; so seem all STs. You say your kid has a high IQ: quite a surprise considering that Ti makes up for a large part of the IQ concept. Don't be delusional, you're still one of millions, don't think your case is special.

    You hit the nail on the last part and your point only serves to reinforce mine. I dislike SLEs being around because they are always trying to push you in some way. Most are not physically violent, but they will subtlety like to apply psychological pressure on others. I know an SLE kid, about the age of your son, and he never misses a chance to undermine others. I remember that a friend was going to take us in his old car to buy something at the store and the little kid started to tease my friend about his "garbage car", thinking it was funny. It was only time until he got into my friend's nerves and he flat demanded the parent to either shut up the damn kid or they will be walking to the store.

    I know what I'm talking about. It's up to you if you are strong enough to accept that your perspective is wrong. SLEs may be good people, but they do a lot of things that justifies social ostracizing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikemex View Post
    Don't get defensive, I'm not attacking you. Just don't expect sympathy from me. Sympathy serves the purpose of reinforcing your already established position on a topic and what you need is to change it because you're wrong. You're blaming others unfairly.

    I don't need to know you or your son to express an opinion on the topic. It seems to me that you're taking Socionics too lightly here. You're not as unique as you think and neither is your son. You say your kid is very mature; so seem all STs. You say your kid has a high IQ: quite a surprise considering that Ti makes up for a large part of the IQ concept. Don't be delusional, you're still one of millions, don't think your case is special.

    You hit the nail on the last part and your point only serves to reinforce mine. I dislike SLEs being around because they are always trying to push you in some way. Most are not physically violent, but they will subtlety like to apply psychological pressure on others. I know an SLE kid, about the age of your son, and he never misses a chance to undermine others. I remember that a friend was going to take us in his old car to buy something at the store and the little kid started to tease my friend about his "garbage car", thinking it was funny. It was only time until he got into my friend's nerves and he flat demanded the parent to either shut up the damn kid or they will be walking to the store.

    I know what I'm talking about. It's up to you if you are strong enough to accept that your perspective is wrong. SLEs may be good people, but they do a lot of things that justifies social ostracizing.
    If people are going to be so fucking sensitive, and have such readily pushed buttons that a kid can make them lose their temper then they must be pretty waek.

    Why tho fuck do we allow this weakness in man knid. We need to be stronger, he needs to be stronger. If he's going to cry just because someone doesn't like the colour of his shirt, or the type of car he drives, then he's got major issues. And derves to be exposed for the fraud he is.

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    LOL, Mimosa, you make me laugh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimosa Pudica View Post
    Could anyone please post a SERIOUS comment on how it feels to be SLE, and how SLE kids develop in a direction that is positive for them - where they can both use their strengths, and develop their weaknesses?
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    @ mods
    ... what this thing about permitting radical editorial changes to the opening question .... makes a bit of a joke about the process of ongoing discussions does it not ?
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    I'll make a slight adjustment to the title of the thread to what I think this thread is reflecting
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