Sarah Silverman

[crazedrat]

wondering what type you people think she is

[1981slater]

ENFp ??

[implied]

i love her. she reminds me of deven green, who is equally hilarious.

[krieger]

I think it's ENTp.

ENFp

She's notorious for insulting minority groups as a form of joke. Fi PoLR to the max.

[1981slater]

ENTp as hell. Shoot everyone who claims differently.



She's notorious for insulting minority groups as a form of joke. Fi PoLR to the max.

1) polr to the max

2) insulting minorities is what aristocrats do!

[krieger]

There's also the fact that the two main "friends" of the fictional version of herself are ISFps in the Sarah Silverman Program.

She isn't sensitive, fragile or emotional in any real way. The world is just full of playthings to her. If she can get some deranged sense of entertainment out of it, she'll abuse it. T not F.

[1981slater]

There's also the fact that the two main "friends" of the fictional version of herself are ISFps in the Sarah Silverman Program.

She isn't sensitive, fragile or emotional in any way. The world is just full of playthings to her. If she can get some deranged sense of entertainment out of it, she'll abuse it. T not F.

Did you know she's fucking Matt Damon?

[marooned]

I saw her typed as EIE here.

[krieger]

i guess the "Ne" written across her forehead wasn't obvious enough an indication for these people.

In the Sarah Silverman Program, which is obviously autobiographical and somewhat true to what she is like in real life, she portrays herself as having the stereotypical Ne-ish habit of running to an oppurtunity, discarding it moments after taking an interest in it and running to the next. The whole show is about such oppurtunities and the laconical indifference with which she discards the activities and people involved after having faked interest in them. It's stereotypically ENTp.

1. Two birds in the bush [he often chooses this option instead of one in his hand]. He is a genius at finding new opportunities and possibilities. What he has completed always seems to him less important compared to the dawning perspectives which are irresistible an inexhaustible. Scientists of this type tend to procrastinate with the publishing of the results of their research, thinking that the greatest discoveries are still ahead. He lives for the future; meanwhile being not acknowledged does not intimidate him. He chooses to do what is interesting rather than what is lucrative.

The intuitive is never to be found among the generally recognized reality values, but he is always present where possibilities exist. He has a keen nose for things in the bud pregnant with future promise. He can never exist in stable, long-established conditions of generally acknowledged though limited value: because his eye is constantly ranging for new possibilities, stable conditions have an air of impending suffocation. He seizes hold of new objects and new ways with eager intensity, sometimes with extraordinary enthusiasm, only to abandon them cold-bloodedly, without regard and apparently without remembrance, as soon as their range becomes clearly defined and a promise of any considerable future development no longer clings to them. As long as a possibility exists, the intuitive is bound to it with thongs of fate. It is as though his whole life went out into the new situation. One gets the impression, which he himself shares, that he has just reached the definitive turning point in his life, and that from now on nothing else can seriously engage his thought and feeling. How- [p. 465] ever reasonable and opportune it may be, and although every conceivable argument speaks in favour of stability, a day will come when nothing will deter him from regarding as a prison, the self-same situation that seemed to promise him freedom and deliverance, and from acting accordingly.

[marooned]

i guess the "Ne" written across her forehead wasn't obvious enough an indication for these people...

I don't seem to see the "written across her forehead" either.

[xerx]

I've seen Jimmy Kimmel typed SLE or ESE, and activity probably is a better guess for their relationship than business. Kimmel had a show with Ben Stein (probably Gamma NT) where they had lots of on-screen animosity - not sure if it was fake animosity or based on their real relationship.

[krieger]

For the record, I'm basing most of my typing on what I've seen of her on the Sarah Silverman Program.

[aestrivex]

i typed silverman as IEI some time ago. i don't have any good reasons why that's any better than rick's typing of EIE, nor do i object at all to the latter, but i don't know why rick thinks EIE is more appropriate.


under no circumstances IEE; her brand of humor is provocative, emotionally colorful (she doesn't at all shy away from expressive caricature for laughs), and widely directed towards conveying social awkwardness and absurdity. basically a typically beta "fart jokes" sense of humor.

[Kim]

Bumping this thread. ILE? IEE? Something completely different?

[wacey]

The similarities lie in the delivery, not the content. Ellen's career aimed at the middle of the road and Silverman's at the adult audience. I'm glad you have also noticed the Delta's ST crassness because I think they are kind of known for it.

[wacey]

Play them at the same time.

[Leader]

...anything other than entp is wrong.

[wacey]

Compare Ellen's and Silverman's Fe free delivery to Russel's Fe heavy stand-up. (science).



Or even Daniel Tosh's Beta edginess that is aimed at making fun of other people.



There is tons of self reflection from Ellen and Silverman that the Beta's seem to lack. Notice how their jokes are mostly aimed at themselves and Russel's and Daniel's at other people? Coincidence?

[Kim]

Or even Daniel Tosh's Beta edginess that is aimed at making fun of other people.

I want to punch his smug little face. I cannot stand the guy...obnoxious and entirely unfunny.

[xerx]

I want to punch his smug little face. I cannot stand the guy...obnoxious and entirely unfunny.

yes. esp. after that whole "rape" incident.

[wacey]

ENTp, ENFj, ENFp.

[Erk]

I always found her really awkward and her jokes completely unfunny. There's just no wit there, she makes an obvious statement then looks at the audience like you should just laugh because she said something.

[mu4]

I think ILE

[1981slater]

IEE

[Erk]

For the record I don't like Ellen either.

[nefnaf]

EP temperament. Merry. Seems more Beta than Alpha SLE > ILE.

Admittedly I don't know a whole lot of SLE women, so I could be way off-base here. But she does remind me of some SLE guys. Plus the ILE women I do know are totally dissimilar to her.

I always found her really awkward and her jokes completely unfunny. There's just no wit there, she makes an obvious statement then looks at the audience like you should just laugh because she said something.

That's because she is using her role function in order to be "witty." It works surprisingly often for SLE.

[silke]

IEE-Fi sp/sx

I can totally see the similarities between her and Ellen Degenerous ... I'm glad you have also noticed the Delta's ST crassness because I think they are kind of known for it.

yes, this

I can't see any similarities between her and Ellen Degeneres' humor. Ellen's humor is very light and actually is very careful to not cross the line to offend anyone. It's also fairly clean. I really enjoy Ellen a lot.

Sarah Silverman is definitely a lot more cross-the-line. If it's not Fi-POLR, it has to be the Beta/Gamma edginess. Alternatively, like you mentioned, it could be the delta ST crassness -- i'd buy that. However, like you also mentioned, she seems to have a purpose with crossing the line, so in that sense Beta/Gamma may fit.

That could be the differences of their instinct variants. Sp/sx social-last(ignoring) crudish crossing-the-line personal-value-inverting comedy of Sarah Silverman vs. So/sp social-first(mindful) preserve-the-middle-line dry-and-balanced personal-imprint-muting delivery style of Ellen. The raw and socially coarse delivery of social-lasts is easily mistaken for Fi/Fe polrs as well as Se valuing, even though 1/3rd of deltans fall under these stackings.

[aisa]

That could be the differences of their instinct variants. Sp/sx social-last(ignoring) crudish crossing-the-line personal-value-inverting comedy of Sarah Silverman vs. So/sp social-first(mindful) preserve-the-middle-line dry-and-balanced personal-imprint-muting delivery style of Ellen. The raw and socially coarse delivery of social-lasts is easily mistaken for Fi/Fe polrs as well as Se valuing, even though 1/3rd of deltans fall under these stackings.

omg, this
it seems that Delta descriptions are tailored specifically towards sp/so and so/sp, very heavy bias

[Suz]

IEE-Fi sp/sx



yes, this


That could be the differences of their instinct variants. Sp/sx social-last(ignoring) crudish crossing-the-line personal-value-inverting comedy of Sarah Silverman vs. So/sp social-first(mindful) preserve-the-middle-line dry-and-balanced personal-imprint-muting delivery style of Ellen. The raw and socially coarse delivery of social-lasts is easily mistaken for Fi/Fe polrs as well as Se valuing, even though 1/3rd of deltans fall under these stackings.

This is an interesting concept. However by what you said here, I relate more to so/sp or sp/so, whereas I've always been typed sp/sx by people familiar with enneagram on this forum. (I know very little about enneagram, I admit).

[JuJu]

How unfortunate that many peoples' first exposure to Socionics is, apparently, via the Socionix website.

I'm not trying to get a rise out of anyone or go to war over it, but the essence of my message is: if we start focusing on what we're actually seeing and hearing from people and the IM elements they're using rather than the type a site is telling us is correct (incorrectly, for the most part,) then this system will not only start to work for a majority of people here (for the first time since sailing across the Atlantic,) but it will be improved upon...

I never recall seeing more brain power at this forum than currently - and wouldn't it be something putting it to good use instead of spinning our wheels over disinformation..?

Before we can do that though, we must begin discerning the difference (as a group) between basic Socionics concepts... Fe vs. Fi, for example.

Again, I'm not writing this to be rude but because it saddens me deeply reading posts by clearly intelligent people, knowing they got some bad info at some point.

[aisa]

@JuJu
hmm... what is your typing of Silverman? which IM elements do you see play out in her behaviour?

[darya]

I would say IEE, but I'm not sure

[Amber]

Entp-Ti or SLI

[Kim]

Ellen Fi-IEE and Silverman Ne-IEE.

[The Reality Denialist]

Not very much going through the details. It seems to be bit hard for her. I think that indicates Ne base. At least it seems to be the case for me. As they come out it seems bit comical because everything is twisted through Ne. There are multiple times when I formulated an answer that came out as a metaphor which sounded very different from concrete perspective.
IEE. Reminds me a little bit about my niece. We certainly look at the world through the same lens.

It is seems to me that Fi PoLR and low shock intuition tolerance is sometimes mixed up. I have seen an EII laughing at my pretty shocking stuff when Ti component is toned down.

[wacey]

Wasn't altogether convinced she was ENTp until I saw this video. Now Im not so certain about typing her ENFp.

AF is right, Ne in ego does twist personalities up somewhat, the Ne-s all blend together because of it. I think ultimately, Sarah is no different from other ENTp comedians such as Jane Lynch, from Glee, and Chelsea Perreti, from Brooklyn 99.

[Beautiful sky]

I confused her with someone else. I'll have look at interviews

[Contra]

I think IEE just because i see Delta values and don't see Fe really. Ne seems like a given at this point.

[darya]

Yeah, IEE.

[Zero11]