How to tell apart SLE-LSI and EIE-IEI

[Ezra]

Yeah, I s'pose I better throw in my two pence since I said it would've been an interesting thread.

I know what you mean, and I don't think it's only these types that are difficult to differentiate between. I for one (I set up a thread on this a short while ago) have trouble telling the difference between an EIE and an SLE (just by observation, obviously). While I'm not so sure Beta Introverts are hard to tell between, or duals, I find SLE-EIE and the two you mentioned are the ones I'm most concerned with.

I basically use the temperaments to decide between mirrors. I sometimes think I'm LSI, but then I realise not only that I prefer IEIs as much as I fucking love EIEs, but also that there are elements about the SLE that just don't fit with the LSI. Besides the IJ thing, SLEs also have more of an irrational (in the true meaning of the word), impulsive air about them. While they may not, in comparison with some of the rest of the socion, look/seem or even be particularly impulsive or irrational, they are certainly more so than LSIs. LSIs are far more methodical, systematic and careful in both thought and deed. They are more difficult to change - while all Beta STs are stable, grounded and confident, LSIs go that little bit more. An LSI is like an oak - totally fucking solid and unmoveable, an SLE like a willow (especially like the one from Harry Potter) - still grounded, but somewhat aggressive when it comes down to it. With an SLE, you'll generally sense more of a kind "FUCKING YEAH MAN WAHEYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!" quality to many of them (especially Se subtypes). With LSIs, there is none of this. Compare someone like Joe Pesci in Casino or Goodfellas (or if you haven't seen those films, any of his films, really) - SLE, probably Se subtype - with Denzel Washington in American Gangster - LSI, probably Se subtype as well.

Hope that helps. I don't feel I know enough about EIEs and IEIs to give any decent distinctions between them.

There are a few of us--you apparently included--who would enjoy dissecting this stuff... Who aren't here to just jerk off or live a slow death considering little paragraphs of nothing... (I like jerking off and thinking of nothing, but, you know, ad nauseum like sometimes on this forum--it gets old quickly.)

+1

... and then it became super-interesting

No it didn't.

[idolatrie]

I'm wondering: where's the cut-off point between types..? For example, if Dave Matthews was slightly more rigid, would he be LSI..?

No, I wouldn't think so. As in, it is not how rigidly a person holds themselves that for me differentiates between SLE and LSI. If DM held himself more rigidly, sat up instead of leaning forwards, his energy would still be pushing forwards, you know? I think SLEs have a looseness, a 'largeness' if you will about their expressions and gestures. Their energy expands to fill the space around them. They express their emotions through the wideness of their smile (amused, entertained), the sprawl of their body (comfortable, at ease), an arm slung around someone's shoulders ('you're mine').

LSIs on the other hand express their energy in a far more contained way. They occupy or 'own' the space they are in without spreading further than the limits of their body. Gestures are more deliberate, more controlled. Instead of a wide grin, they'll show their amusement with a raised eyebrow, a half-smirk and some kind of amused expression in their eyes. A hand on your forearm says 'I want to touch you'. Rather than enveloping you with their presence, they invite you to come to them.

Actually, I'll send you a pic of two friends of mine who I think are LSI and SLE which I think shows some of the differences.

And also YES THIS @ everything Ezra said above.

[Banana Pancakes]

what Ezra said is pretty good, just see if the Beta St is more Nicky Santoro or Frank Lucas (Tony Montana is a good one for LSI as well).

LSIs seem much more methodical and preplanned, whereas
SLEs can act more on the spur of the moment, in response to the environment

[Ezra]

(Tony Montana is a good one for LSI as well).

Really? I would've said he was an SLE.

LSIs seem much more methodical and preplanned, whereas
SLEs can act more on the spur of the moment, in response to the environment

Hmmm, I'm not sure.

I think SLEs such as myself are relatively methodical. Remember, we are Ti creative.

[Simon Ssmall]

I doubt you plan so freaking much in the future as LSI's do. Heck the one I dated, would plan every single detail of a trip which would be 6 months later. For me its the opposite of spontanity multiplied by ten.

[Banana Pancakes]

I think SLEs such as myself are relatively methodical. Remember, we are Ti creative.

but do you appear that way externally?

I'm sure LSIs think they're very spur of the moment too

[JuJu]

I'm sure LSIs think they're very spur of the moment too

This notion that LSIs aren't 'spur of the moment' is erroneous... They can be adventurous and up for anything, like all types.

Did you watch that Eddie Van Halen interview? A non-rigid LSI.

Idolatrie's notion of 'drawing one in' (LSIs) versus being more expansive (SLEs) is right on.

[Ezra]

No, I wouldn't think so. As in, it is not how rigidly a person holds themselves that for me differentiates between SLE and LSI. If DM held himself more rigidly, sat up instead of leaning forwards, his energy would still be pushing forwards, you know? I think SLEs have a looseness, a 'largeness' if you will about their expressions and gestures. Their energy expands to fill the space around them. They express their emotions through the wideness of their smile (amused, entertained), the sprawl of their body (comfortable, at ease), an arm slung around someone's shoulders ('you're mine').

LSIs on the other hand express their energy in a far more contained way. They occupy or 'own' the space they are in without spreading further than the limits of their body. Gestures are more deliberate, more controlled. Instead of a wide grin, they'll show their amusement with a raised eyebrow, a half-smirk and some kind of amused expression in their eyes. A hand on your forearm says 'I want to touch you'. Rather than enveloping you with their presence, they invite you to come to them.

+1000. That description of the SLE rings so true for me.

Oh yeah, another good LSI example is Robert De Niro in Casino, alongside the SLE Pesci (both in real life and in his character).

but do you appear that way externally?

To some, yes. To others, no. I change.

I'm sure LSIs think they're very spur of the moment too

What do you deem to be "spur of the moment"? And why don't we ask them now?

This notion that LSIs aren't 'spur of the moment' is erroneous... They can be adventurous and up for anything, like all types.

Do you equate these two things with "spur of the moment"? I think it's perfectly plausible for someone to be both adventurous and "up for anything" without doing things spur of the moment?