How to tell apart SLE-LSI and EIE-IEI

[JuJu]

I think I will have to refine my ideas about LSIs having seen this. He makes sense as an LSI, but he doesn't fit my typical picture. I have been thinking lately that I have a good general picture of the spectrum of Ti-LSIs, but not so much Se-LSIs, and have been thinking about a few people who I have a hard time typing that might fit best as LSIs.

Here are a couple of Se-LSIs that are even harder to type than Reed:

Eddie Van Halen:


Kevin Garnett:


With Beta creative subtypes, there are a lot of close calls like this... Hopefully, the more we discuss it, the more obvious each subtypes' features will become.

[JuJu]

Here's a nebulous Fe-INFp... Thanks to my good friend Nick, (strrrng,) for this typing:

Tupac Shakur:

[Sirena]

I loved Garnett! Seeing/hearing him made me feel good inside. I wanted to be closer and be part of his experience.

Ok, the inspirational background music might've had something to do with it! lol

[Sirena]

I liked the Tupac interview. He reminds me of a bunny every time I see him wearing that bandana on his head. lol.

P.S. Another totally unhelpful post from me :redface:

[Ezra]

Yeah, I s'pose I better throw in my two pence since I said it would've been an interesting thread.

I know what you mean, and I don't think it's only these types that are difficult to differentiate between. I for one (I set up a thread on this a short while ago) have trouble telling the difference between an EIE and an SLE (just by observation, obviously). While I'm not so sure Beta Introverts are hard to tell between, or duals, I find SLE-EIE and the two you mentioned are the ones I'm most concerned with.

I basically use the temperaments to decide between mirrors. I sometimes think I'm LSI, but then I realise not only that I prefer IEIs as much as I fucking love EIEs, but also that there are elements about the SLE that just don't fit with the LSI. Besides the IJ thing, SLEs also have more of an irrational (in the true meaning of the word), impulsive air about them. While they may not, in comparison with some of the rest of the socion, look/seem or even be particularly impulsive or irrational, they are certainly more so than LSIs. LSIs are far more methodical, systematic and careful in both thought and deed. They are more difficult to change - while all Beta STs are stable, grounded and confident, LSIs go that little bit more. An LSI is like an oak - totally fucking solid and unmoveable, an SLE like a willow (especially like the one from Harry Potter) - still grounded, but somewhat aggressive when it comes down to it. With an SLE, you'll generally sense more of a kind "FUCKING YEAH MAN WAHEYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!" quality to many of them (especially Se subtypes). With LSIs, there is none of this. Compare someone like Joe Pesci in Casino or Goodfellas (or if you haven't seen those films, any of his films, really) - SLE, probably Se subtype - with Denzel Washington in American Gangster - LSI, probably Se subtype as well.

Hope that helps. I don't feel I know enough about EIEs and IEIs to give any decent distinctions between them.

There are a few of us--you apparently included--who would enjoy dissecting this stuff... Who aren't here to just jerk off or live a slow death considering little paragraphs of nothing... (I like jerking off and thinking of nothing, but, you know, ad nauseum like sometimes on this forum--it gets old quickly.)

+1

... and then it became super-interesting

No it didn't.

[idolatrie]

I'm wondering: where's the cut-off point between types..? For example, if Dave Matthews was slightly more rigid, would he be LSI..?

No, I wouldn't think so. As in, it is not how rigidly a person holds themselves that for me differentiates between SLE and LSI. If DM held himself more rigidly, sat up instead of leaning forwards, his energy would still be pushing forwards, you know? I think SLEs have a looseness, a 'largeness' if you will about their expressions and gestures. Their energy expands to fill the space around them. They express their emotions through the wideness of their smile (amused, entertained), the sprawl of their body (comfortable, at ease), an arm slung around someone's shoulders ('you're mine').

LSIs on the other hand express their energy in a far more contained way. They occupy or 'own' the space they are in without spreading further than the limits of their body. Gestures are more deliberate, more controlled. Instead of a wide grin, they'll show their amusement with a raised eyebrow, a half-smirk and some kind of amused expression in their eyes. A hand on your forearm says 'I want to touch you'. Rather than enveloping you with their presence, they invite you to come to them.

Actually, I'll send you a pic of two friends of mine who I think are LSI and SLE which I think shows some of the differences.

And also YES THIS @ everything Ezra said above.

[Banana Pancakes]

what Ezra said is pretty good, just see if the Beta St is more Nicky Santoro or Frank Lucas (Tony Montana is a good one for LSI as well).

LSIs seem much more methodical and preplanned, whereas
SLEs can act more on the spur of the moment, in response to the environment

[Ezra]

(Tony Montana is a good one for LSI as well).

Really? I would've said he was an SLE.

LSIs seem much more methodical and preplanned, whereas
SLEs can act more on the spur of the moment, in response to the environment

Hmmm, I'm not sure.

I think SLEs such as myself are relatively methodical. Remember, we are Ti creative.