I think ISTjs are easy to tell apart from ESTps. ISTjs are reclusive and slowly pull you into their little bubble. ESTps have this expansive energy.
The other night I was walking and I felt like this boom presence, and I could tell it was an ESTp, I didn't need to look up to clarify. ESTps have this high energy, high impact, full on sexual energy - it's invigorating and intimidating. ISTjs have this far more subtle sexual energy, it's like they simmer, it's aggressive yet calming and stable. (actually no, I take it back, they are intimidating in a sexual way too; I think this is probaly an IEI thing... lol).
Also they appear very different, it's not until you get deeper into the ISTj that you see how opinionated and 'tough' they are. ESTps are upfront, you know what they want. ISTjs are closed off and only show you what they want you to know. ISTjs come across as polite and friendly, you can't always tell what they think or feel. ESTps are like crazed, bouncing off all over the place, or just sit back and watch but the intensity never leaves them; their easy to read, whatever they feel; you will feel it too.
IEIs and EIEs are more similar I guess. IEIs are often weirder and have better dress sense :tongue:. Lol, that's my shallow analysis...
IEI, sp/sx 4w3.
Lol . I didn't have anything else remotely helpful to add...
Right in the middle like how Ezra ;]?
IEI, sp/sx 4w3.
bump. I love this thread.
IEI-Fe 4w3
i noticed that too; but i doubt my observations too much, but since someone else said it, yeah; i see that too.
definitely with the LSI and SLE as well.
also, i think a good way of telling the difference is that when a rational beta states something, the way they get their point across is usually very clear... as where the irrationals tend to really ramble, and speak in chunks. but in the end their point or idea is developed, but in a less consistent manner.
its like... subtle but equal and solid additions to the portraying of their idea (rational) versus smoother but inconsistent in "size" additions (irrational)
basically, irrationals jump around and tend to ramble more than rationals.
let's see how people nitpick at that.
"If you can find out little melodies for yourself on the piano it is all very well. But if they come of themselves when you are not at the piano, then you have still greater reason to rejoice; for then the inner sense of music is astir in you. The fingers must make what the head wills, not vice versa."- Robert Schumann
gotta bump this thread again cause it's so great!
IEI-Fe 4w3
Haha, same! And I never answered dinki!
Well, now you know You're always saying how I am "not like other SLEs" because I'm more toned down, restrained, I give a shit etc.
THAT'S TI SUBTYPE FOR YA BBZ
Ahhhh, I never realised all those girls I was giving that look to were actually IEIs and they were massively into me.
Hey, found this site today. First time poster. Go easy. lol
Im an IEI and my older sister is an EIE. One total difference between the two types ive noticed is EIE's dont like to have conversations about nothing. The abstract qualities you see in the IEI's eclecity of weird, arent expressed by the EIE. EnFj's seem to be more practical, and interested in things that they can apply. Infp's i noticed seem to be intrigued by things they can analyze and break apart into their heads to draw the nourishment from later whenever the intuition pops.
I actually think Lennon is a LIE (with Yoko, an EII) and Matthews a SEI (lots of not-so-subtle instrumentation, i.e. obnoxious saxophones, various horns, extra singers and only drags out performances out twice as long as need be rather than ten times as with the Boss, king of the monkey SEEs).
I was discussing this connection with my LSI friend and the distinction comes down to risk taking; he said he is highly adverse to risk and taking risk, which interestingly he admires in his SLE friend. Especially, risk taking in the financial sense of the word or investment sense of the word.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I find it highly unlikely that an LSI seems irrational - why do you think this? Likewise with SLE; only superficially do they. As for extroverted IEIs, I see where you're coming from, although it tends to be pretty obvious after a while.
The LSIs I know are hyperrational. They tend to have this kind of smooth coolness about them, and they know it. They're confident. Some of them are relatively slow, visibly methodical thinkers, but they're all clear and systematic. Good company, and good in discussion. When the conversation is on a topic in which they're interested, they tend to get quite excited - you can hear it in their voices; sometimes more excitable than an SLE.
"Restraint" or "quiet" (at times) SLEs like myself are clearly not rational after a few days observation.
As for Beta NFs, EIEs tend to just spring up to me - the Fe is REALLY obvious. Anyone I'm mysteriously attracted to I tend to view as IEI.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Last edited by Beautiful sky; 06-08-2010 at 02:52 PM.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html