Originally Posted by
Mimosa Pudica
Actually........
(lol)
According to JUNG, we consist of a Self that is "the real us". Inside of that Self, that we can't completely know consciously, there is lot's of different archetypes. The most important being:
1. Ego - this is what you call and think of as "yourself" SOCIONICS TYPES THE EGO!!! The Ego is constructed the first year you live. This is PRETTY MUCH a proved fact....
2. Persona - the mask(s) you present to the world. It's how you want others to see you. If you type someone, you might easily mistype them based on their persona, if they have a strong Persona very different from their Ego.
3. Anima/Animus - the female/male part of a man/woman. This is seen by many as a counterpart to your Persona, while I don't agree totally on that. The Anima/Animus is unconscious in young people. The older you get, the more conscious is it. I know my Animus fairly well (35 years old). A person in control of his Anima/Animus can be mistyped as the Animi talk through their Egos. They might easily mistype themselves as well, as they confuse their Animi for their Ego. I did this myself. (my Animus is extroverted and logical, probably LIE or ILE?)
4. The Shadow - the supressed thoughts, feelings and actions of the Ego. Everything you think you are not, typically "bad" things (eg. evil, violent, selfish, etc.), but also certain good traits can be suppressed (eg. assertiveness, ability to say no, etc)
According to Jung, we are PHYSICALLY female/male because our hormones make it that way by looks, and NORMALLY the CONSCIOUS PSYCHE will IDENTIFY with a man when you look like a man, and a woman if you look like a woman. But this is ONLY a construct of the psyche. In reality we don't have genders psychologically. Of course, physically, it's a totally different story.
When it comes to TYPE, however, it is probably STRICTLY a matter of a construct of the psyche. As it is your EGO that is typed, and as the EGO is not inborn, but a "imagined" *I*, by definition, you "the Self" can be any type, and actually is ALL types.
Hmmm... Do you know your Shadow? It is always the OPPOSITE type of your Ego (naturally). I have an LSE Shadow. So IEIs that go "dark" will behave as evil LSEs. etc. EIIs who "lose it" probably become a negative version of an SLE, and ILEs become a negative ESI, etc. I think this is why we often project "evil" on our conflicting functions, cause we know from our Shadows that these functions are like when in a "negative drive".
When people talk about "dual type theories", I think they talk about Ego + Anima/Animus. They recognize a second voice in themselves, that can have a completely different type. The goal of individuation is to make the Anima/Animus fully conscious, so that he/she will cooperate and grow WITH you.
Anyways.... B&D DOES see something here, I am certain. IEIs (ime) probably more than any other type feel the different archetypes in themselves? Not sure why? Some types have trouble seeing the difference between Persona and Ego, while many, many IEIs I know are very familiar with their Shadows (I have noticed that strrrng is, he has on several occations pointed out that "evil" can be a good thing for the whole/for development, and that is exactly what Jung says - the Shadow should be tamed and controlled, and when possible - integrated into the conscious Ego), also I have seen many IEIs that naturally see beyond the Ego, and sense the greater Self behind. I think that is what B&D does. But most of all I think he describes a complex in himself, limiting him. And then he projects that complex onto socionics. B&D, you are right - you are more! Of course you are! <3
(sorry for the preaching. Just felt like defending B&D's thoughts since you were so negative)