I thought you were very logical about that, Gulanzon.
LII-Ne
"Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING like Shakespeare!"
- Blair Houghton
Johari
Yeah yeah yeah, that video oozes with
I'm Ne-ILE
EDIT
But you didn't hear it from me
Here's an idea I came up with earlier today: Perceiving types with Perceiving subtypes use their creative functions to acquire information from their duals.
So for you, that means that you use to learn what an SEI-Si believes so that you can apply for it. Your needs to use someone else as a source, even though you will do much of the work of figuring out what it means.
If you were IEE-Ne, then the same would apply for your .
LII-Ne
"Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING like Shakespeare!"
- Blair Houghton
Johari
LII-Ne
"Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING like Shakespeare!"
- Blair Houghton
Johari
Wut?
No, I meant I don't want to be ILE-Ne. I want other people to disprove the notion
That would neatly explain our interactions then... wouldn't it?
Also, for the IEEE/SSLI, The IEEE would try to align themselves with the SLI's Fi-map of like/dislike, and try to highlight contacts and whatnot?
Also, how would it work for J-sub Ps?
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Yes, reasonably well.
Wait, is IEEE ENFp-Ne or ENFp-Fi?
That sounds about right for ENFp-Ne. ENFp-Fi would want to hand down his values to an ISTp-Te.
J-sub Ps use their creative functions to provide information to their duals. So, for instance, ArchonAlarion would use his to provide his dual with options that are the result of his analysis.
This provides a way that you are not much like the dual of Archon after all... you want to interact with your dual through and , while he wants to interact with his dual through and .
Js use their creative functions mainly for their own benefit, but P-subtypes use it more to learn whereas J-subtypes use it more to teach.
LII-Ne
"Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING like Shakespeare!"
- Blair Houghton
Johari
LII-Ne
"Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING like Shakespeare!"
- Blair Houghton
Johari
LII-Ne
"Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING like Shakespeare!"
- Blair Houghton
Johari
Analogy my ass.
You're just envious of my superior . And chickens.
LII-Ne
"Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING like Shakespeare!"
- Blair Houghton
Johari
I will suggest these types: SEI & EII.
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Originally Posted by Gilly
I don't understand any of that.
Second paragraph, do you mean that I find external usage frustrating because it automatically draws attention to the lack of ?
Going by this, in interactions with a SSEI, would it follow a pattern of the others' Super-Id engagements "inviting" Ego responses and nudging the cycle along?Originally Posted by Brilliand
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I mean, importantly, the the J ego element sounds like it specifically needs to be engaged before it starts working in J-sub Ps (Can we just call them JsP, PsJ, JsJ, PsP?)
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Oh, you were taking a potshot at my weight, not my hyperactivity
Are you aware of distance between people?
Do you find it easy enough to notice when someone is attracted to you?
Do you make big/drastic changes in lifestyle?
Do you find a constant need to change your surroundings?
Have you ever wondered why people can't be fair to each other?
Have you tried finding the reasons for it?
If you would need to give information for someone you do not know what would you say about yourself in two short sentences?
How you normally act when you are down and having problems?
Do you find it easy to spot when someone is down?
How do you deal with people who are very quiet, reluctant to speak?
I could ask probably a few million more questions, but those be dem trick questions out of the top of my head .
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ENFp - Fi 7w6 sp/sx
The Ineffable IEI
The Einstein ENTp
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1) Only if I have a tapemeasure! Depends. I can generally pick it up off of the airwaves.
2) No, but I feel when they aren't (I shouldn't be winking at that, actually. It sucks. But you can't read this--it's parenthetical! Seven cheer! Seven cheer! Seven cheer...)
3) Not in a position to. Depends how big and drastic they are, though. I'm pissed off about having to have had to live in stinkin' Sydney for however many years it's been now. Can't wait to move!
4) Sometimes. I feel a need to compulsively change things other than my surroundings, though. Lack of change worries and scares me--trust me, I've been there.
5) No.
6) No. I already know.
7) Turn my head to the side, give a big grin, wink, go "He he!" and deliver a thumbs-up.
8) Ask me when I'm down and having problems. Usually waver between aggressively going Terminator on them and monologuing to skulls about mires and Jesus in purgatory.
9) Yes. You can tell instantly.
10) If they were stupid enough to interest me, give them an orbital strike. If they didn't interest me, or give off BEWARE OF DOG RWARGH vibes, leave them be.
I already know your type.
Those questions were about people of different types actually, not that they can be used to type someone correctly but they can answer me what people in my life you remind me of. And i'm not gonna pick out on what you said and dissect it into something that is supposedly type related. All I can say is that your are not exactly a serious person now are you?
Btw ISTp's can unwillingly give out BEWARE OF DOG RWARGH vibes .
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Oh btw, the way you talked, you reminded me of this actor:
Paul Giamatti
from "Sideways" movie, just a cheerful version
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No, I'm not very serious at all. I'm a Seven! Since when were we the serious type? You got something to prove, huh, punk?!
j/k *hugs*
Also re: ISTps, I think a few of the ones I know like me. Generally that's when they stop trying to fend off all human emotional contact, isn't it?
They're a special case! I love it when they light up. I'd say most ISTps automatically fall under the "target painted" category.
No; just because it doesn't do anything for you. I wouldn't expect it to hurt you in any way - you just don't have any use for it, because you would need for that.
Yes, I suppose an SEI-Si's would invite responses from others. Though from this perspective, it seems like the SEI's hidden agenda "to understand" could just as well be "to be understood."
That doesn't sound right... the element that is your subtype is what you do automatically, and need no help with. The J ego element in JsPs is working as long as there is enough input from the creative function.
LII-Ne
"Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING like Shakespeare!"
- Blair Houghton
Johari
Sorry, I had a fail again.
I meant P-sub Ps.
FAIL
Hello, my name is Bee. Pleased to meet you .
For instance, in Ne ENTp's Ti is an "activated" function. You can "force" yourself to use it if you must, but you'd rather have outside stimulus to use it. It's something that interests you, sure, and you're proficient with it, but you aren't really experiencing it all the time.
But yes you want Ti activated by your dual, because they'd give you a reason to use it, but less than you desire them to activate Si.
The end is nigh
LII-Ne
"Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING like Shakespeare!"
- Blair Houghton
Johari
My guess after seeing a part of the video, ILE-Ne
I have a question:
Do you like to outsmart people, or do you like to flatter people.
That's what I was thinking of when I made it.
I dislike doing either.
But I'd dislike outsmarting someone less. It implies a degree of competition, and I naturally see myself losing at some point in the future, so I avoid competition. Flattery reduces the inherent value of people, imo, so I'd never do it... unless you mean a justified compliment. But even then, they're special, and I don't want people knowing my opinion of them.
Buuuuut, short-term competition where it's obviously play for everyone involved is fun. I generally don't believe I have the capacity to outsmart people, but I'm secretly a Johnny on the inside of the layers of Timmy
(And STFU, I can apply those archetypes to things other than MTG.)
Last edited by male; 03-12-2009 at 07:29 PM.
hmm yeah I finally got to watch the vid.
As I suspected you are a textbook Ne ILE.
Which is cool because they're awesome and frankly I wish I knew more irl.
The end is nigh
Ne ENTp's have Fe agenda, so they are quite interested in motivations, people's feelings, and inner moods. The Ne and Fe are part of the "P-Block" (project block) and are therefore both "passive functions" being turned on all the time.
Im being a bit vague, but I don't feel like beating a dead horse (Gulanzon being Ne ENTp).
The end is nigh
LII-Ne
"Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING like Shakespeare!"
- Blair Houghton
Johari
Yes. I'm trying to keep Model X from clashing seriously with Expatian Socionics. About a year ago, there was a disagreement about whether people with as their most obvious function could reasonably be typed as IEIs - the term "IEI-Ti" arose as a name for what they were debating. Apparently a large number of the IEIs on this forum were typed "IEI-Ti." So there is precedent for typing people HA>Creative.
LII-Ne
"Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING like Shakespeare!"
- Blair Houghton
Johari
nah, but i don't think its their most obvious function.
idk about all that, but its whatever. I'm just going by what ive come to understand is all.
The end is nigh
Feel free to facepalm, but I do practice emotions in front of the mirror frequently.
Unconscious competence ftw!
ALSO
Let's restrict this to Alpha/Delta.
Taken As Troofs:
My thinking pattern moves in rapid, rapid chains. 3-5 hops in a single second is completely natural. Often I don't even consciously register them because Mister Prefrontal Cortex is still spinning on the spot and spluttering in the cloud of dust left by my blazing right hemisphere (most of my thinking seems to be intuitive, in the general sense). Whether this is Ne base or 7w6 can be left open to debate, IMO.
My school is so Beta you'll ionize. I used to frequently get in Seriously Serious Trouble For Not Seriously Taking The Serious Exams Seriously Enough, Seriously. They expect strong Se and Ti and Nothing Else. Ne is instantaneous death, and Si flags you as a possible plague victim.
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According to Brill, approach evidence from the context of a hypothesis is Ti thinking. In other words, form a theory, bounce evidence/antitheses off it, and improve/cement/ignore.
Te thinking gathers evidence, and takes general patterns it tends to notice As Is. If they're useless, they get chucked out the window. I think.
Brilleru, help me out here >;
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...the human race will disappear. Other races will appear and disappear in turn. The sky will become icy and void, pierced by the feeble light of half-dead stars. Which will also disappear. Everything will disappear. And what human beings do is just as free of sense as the free motion of elementary particles. Good, evil, morality, feelings? Pure 'Victorian fictions'.
INTp
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Originally Posted by Gilly