Stephen Colbert

[Gilly]

Lol a lot of people do, he's an enormous baller

[golden]

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[Sir Knight]

Probably the kind of brain that does not need to resort to ad hominem arguments.

It's actually not an ad hominem if he addresses the substance of your argument, which he did.

Just... you know, pointing that out.

[DividedsGhost]

Colbert is awesome. Kind of reminds me of how DiscoJoe is on the forum.

Probably the kind of brain that does not need to resort to ad hominem arguments.

Oh hi there. I don't think we've met before. Would you like to be my friend? I'm going to have a party soon.

[silke]

updated: most likely Delta type, so/sx, image triad (e3)

if his type is indeed SLI the so/sx stacking will make him appear very un-Sli like

[leckysupport]

I doubt ILE, labcoat is probably right.

[Logos]

It's actually not an ad hominem if he addresses the substance of your argument, which he did.

Just... you know, pointing that out.

If I said, "you're an idiot if you think that," it would be still an ad hominem even if I were to wrap up the ad hominem in argumentative support. An ad hominem is an ad hominem regardless of how fancy the gift wrapping is. But Colbert's style, although lacking the rigidity and moral conviction of Bill O'Reilly (ESI), nevertheless mocks the weak logic and logical contradictions, as well as the absurd moral character, of conservative America as represented by Bill O'Reilly.

[jughead]

That is true.

[Sir Knight]

If I said, "you're an idiot if you think that," it would be still an ad hominem even if I were to wrap up the ad hominem in argumentative support. An ad hominem is an ad hominem regardless of how fancy the gift wrapping is. But Colbert's style, although lacking the rigidity and moral conviction of Bill O'Reilly (ESI), nevertheless mocks the weak logic and logical contradictions, as well as the absurd moral character, of conservative America as represented by Bill O'Reilly.

ad ho·mi·nem

–adjective
1.
appealing to one's prejudices, emotions, or special interests rather than to one's intellect or reason.
2.
attacking an opponent's character rather than answering his argument.

Operative words: rather than

[Logos]

ad ho·mi·nem

–adjective
1.
appealing to one's prejudices, emotions, or special interests rather than to one's intellect or reason.
2.
attacking an opponent's character rather than answering his argument.

Operative words: rather than

No, it's still an ad hominem attack by any reasonable standard. The ad hominem is still noted for "attacking an opponent's character," even if the argument is subsequently addressed. And even if it should not qualify by the second meaning, it would still pass the first, which would still make it an ad hominem.

[Sir Knight]

No, it's still an ad hominem attack by any reasonable standard. The ad hominem is still noted for "attacking an opponent's character," even if the argument is subsequently addressed. And even if it should not qualify by the second meaning, it would still pass the first, which would still make it an ad hominem.

The point is that it only specifically qualifies as a logical fallacy when the insult is used to specifically sidestep having to answer the argument of one's opponent. I mean, just insulting someone as you argue with them is par for the course in drunken bar debates. So long as you're still actually disproving their point or arguing in favor of your own, it isn't a logical fallacy.

[jughead]

The point is Colbert is a purposeful parody/emulation of conservatives, particularly fox news and Bill O'reilly. He just uses the rhetorical fluff and buzzwords to show how the false gravitas is so easily used for the most ridiculous of things. How the media can be turned into the biggest parody of itself and NEVER directly show its true color. Otherwise you'd be kicked off the air.
He's a mirror though of reality, and as his boldness increases, its a by product of the power of the rest of the media also increasing. It's a self fueling machine just as Fox News and other media outlets. Still he's a bit of a copycat, but its not a new idea that Fox had. The practices are very old.

Personally he is a jumble/mystery but its plainly obvious hes in character and hes not the same type of Bill O'Reilly. He's like a Canadian in that you have to tune into his frequency before you get it. He's not a typical American. This plays to the idea of him being the typical american though. Damn ENIGMAS! Frankly I think hes a dork from his large use of logical and conceptual games and humour and prescripted show. Doesn't make me laugh to much, it just hits shallow and keeps going. It's true but doesn't resonate well. This could point to ESE-Si or LII or IEE , the very rehearsed, unspontaneous humor (that's dabbled with Ne games as I mentioned to keep it fresh and make it seem spontaneous and "TRUTHY"). I prefer the daily show 9 times out of 10 because Colbert is so non heavy emotional in his expression and fluffs it and just makes very non serious parody, theres little heavy emotional content besides the very obvious, but implied dry sarcasm. If he's an NT that it's concealed well with the emulation.
Wait heres another idea. He could be a very intelligent IEE as well, showing you the yin to the rests yang.

I could also see how I think of that Ashton could possibly think he was SLI. I don't find him very funny, he's quite similar to the cast of the other shows hes been on, Strangers With Candy, Upright Citizens Brigade etc. I like darker, more direct humour. He's like a liberal educated, theatre going Canadian or Ned Flanders.. but is it also a stretch to think of him as a different subtype of Robin Williams? Si sub would use less Se I guess or be more subdued in his expression. Still an enigma!

[mfckr]

Did any of you bother to try and look up more candid views of him?

[Gilly]

LSE. He even talks about DA kind of balancing mechanisms in the stuff about his kids and his characters. "Sliding scale, depending on the situation;" etc. The way he talks about his characters reminds me of the tips an LSE woman once tried to give me about writing.

[Gilly]

He is like some of your other "SLIs" though, so points for consistency.

[Galen]

He wears a suit, so delta ST. Probably 9w1 or something, which would eliminate ESTj imo.

[marooned]

I thought the radio show interview Elro posted was a far more useful thing to go off.

One thing that stood out to me is his over-sensitivity about offending people in the sense that he may be overly polite to try to avoid creating problems. He wants to have his fun without really causing any major emotional upsets as though walking on eggshells around the inner feelings of others. This struck me as both Si valuing and vulnerable (or at the very least, weak) Fi.

Not that I am dead set about ILE. I'm not at all.

[Gilly]

He wears a suit, so delta ST. Probably 9w1 or something, which would eliminate ESTj imo.

9w1? Not sure where you ggot that vibe, I was thinking 3, maybe 6w7.

[marooned]

But he wears a suit.

(surely this was a joke? it had to be a joke. *consoles self*)

it was obviously non-serious, there's no way it couldn't be.

[Suz]

That way he's holding his mouth right there in that pic is something i've come to associate with delta STs (along with the furrowed brow). In particular Te-SLIs.

I dont watch the show, and was never interested much in it, so can't really comment much more than that. Things i've heard about his non-TV persona make him sound like a really cool, nice guy though. I wouldn't put SLI past him. I dont see how Fe-POLR is out of the question. His facial expressions scream devalued Fe (not just in this pic).

[Suz]

Did any of you bother to try and look up more candid views of him?

YouTube - The Real Stephen Colbert (Out of Character)

Yeah that might be why i dont like his show. He is so different out of character. I mean, he says it himself--"I am insincere on the show.... I say things i dont mean..."

[Suz]

Personally he is a jumble/mystery but its plainly obvious hes in character and hes not the same type of Bill O'Reilly. He's like a Canadian in that you have to tune into his frequency before you get it. He's not a typical American. This plays to the idea of him being the typical american though.

there is no such thing as a "typical american."

[jughead]

there is no such thing as a "typical american."

Thats obvious, its part of the parody, particularly of O"Reilly.

[Suz]

Thats obvious, its part of the parody, particularly of O"Reilly.

Oh i see. Thanks for clarifying.

[krieger]

Honestly, labcoat, I don't think there's much point in continuing this discussion. I'm LII and you're LSI. I find your LSI focus on details at the expense of the big picture exasperating, and you find my focus on generalities at the expense of specifics to be irrelevant. You keep trying to narrow the focus to a piece-by-piece sequence of specific details, while I'm trying to widen the focus to a broad overview of the whole topic at once. You have no patience for contemplating alternate possibilities, and I get annoyed by your blunt, "pushy" tone. I've been in the same situation with at least two other LSIs, and the debate just goes in circles without either side moving an inch, and the only result is a lot of frustration on both sides.

Debates between Kindred types are rarely useful, because we're going in different directions on the same topic, and we tend to view each other's approach as impractical and pointless to even think about. That's certainly true in my case in this instance. We would probably get along socially, but this sort of thing is fruitless. Let's just save our breath, eh?

(As far as I know, you still self-type as LII? If so, the above will probably just annoy you more than anything. But at this point, it seems pretty clear to me that you're LSI, based on your writing style and our interactions, which in my opinion are much better described by Kindred than Identity.)

[meals]

Always saw Colbert as ILE, with Jon Stewart as his dual SEI. Steve Carrell ILE (for reference check out the "Even Steven/Stephen" segment on the Daily Show)

[Exodus]

I don't buy the idea that anyone can consistently parody a significantly different type from the one they are. Parodies are usually just an exaggeration of that person's own type.

[717495]

Some -PoLR? He seems pretty / to me.

[Sumer1an]

Esfp is the most likely type imo too. Either way, I wouldn't consider anything out of Gamma.

I *might* also buy Intp....even if it seems like a bit of a stretch...

I really like Colbert. I think ESFp is the best bet but thats also because Im biased. I actually could see INTp too. I have no problem getting into a similar character to what he does when Im socializing with people. He and I have an extremely similar sense of humor. I could easily see doing a Colbert type character for a TV show. A lot of people seem to think Fe polr makes you a robot when I think that INTps are just generally rather robotic due to low confidence.

[Sumer1an]

Thought would go well with Stewart too, they stick out for each other.

This being said, I'm thinking ESFp > INTp atm

Agreed.

[plotter]

At least in the interview with Bill, he is definitely using and . If this is practiced beforehand I don't know, but he seems to tackle Bill quite well.

I've been in some debates with egos, and even though I at times admire their argumentation, none of them has been able to do the kind of "Lindy Hop-debating" that Colbert practices.

[bolong]

Anyone watch the Late Show with him Monday night? He does a segment with a MBTI expert and he gets.....


INFP

[Not A Communist Shill]

IEE seems possible to me (as a stronger candidate to IEI), but I haven't seen much of his stuff.

He seems very solemn with his humour generally: it would be interesting to see him doing stand-up.

I was just thinking of how he might compare to an individual such as George Clooney when he is talking about some issue he is campaigning for.

[Suz]

i TRIED to get interested by his show. No interest in it...
Idk what this means about his type but there you have it.

[Kim]

I know an LSE who worships this man.

I worship him, too. Must be a delta thing.

[golden]

I worship him, too. Must be a delta thing.

He is indeed awesome. Awesome enough to make me use the dread word "indeed."

[Kim]

He is indeed awesome. Awesome enough to make me use the dread word "indeed."

Haha, "indeed" IS a dreadful word. You must really love the man.

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

He's great at mocking/parodying the arrogant white str8 male mansplainer that is so prevalent in America. But also, he is good at pointing out the hypocrisies of liberals. Like how people thought he was stupid just because he had a southern accent. But he does the former with humor and the latter with seriousness. I think this is a good strategy, because with far-right Republicans- you often have to fight fire with fire and be as over the top offensive and ridiculous as they are. With the far left people- you often just have to tell them seriously and directly that they are wrong.

I bought one of his books at Wal-mart, "I am america and so can you." Was so funny.

[Beautiful sky]

ESE

[uncivilized]

Colbert apparently talked about the MBTI on his show recently and scored as an INFP when he took it. So he's a
Socionics INFj if he typed himself correctly.

http://flavorwire.com/540287/stephen...rsonality-type