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    Well, I've recently read a little bit about his life and he sounds Ti-ENTp: blunt, impatient, loved games and to act weird in parties, etc
    On his intertype relations: apparently, he thought Einstein was slow and boring, although they had a good-but-distant relationship. Einstein was an idealist and Von Neumann was into war planning, for instance. ILE vs ILI? ILE vs LII?
    Richard Feynman and JvN were good friends. JvN, apparently, had a hard time when relaxing and RF advised him not to take things seriously at all. Two ILEs? ILE and LIE? LIE and ILE? LIE and LIE?
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    I thought they were LIE and LIE with different enneagram types? While Einstein might have been an ILE and his "slowness" was related to process-result?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    I thought they were LIE and LIE with different enneagram types? While Einstein might have been an ILE and his "slowness" was related to process-result?
    Yes. One of the differences is that Feynman slept with many women and Von Neumann got married twice and had a boring family-life. So Feynman Ne-LIE and Von Neumann Te-LIE or Te-LIE is a possible way out.
    I hate slowness, I feel like an LIE this evening!

    ...and Feynman's sense of humour made people lol, whereas Von Neumann's was difficult to get by "normal people"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dynamicism View Post
    I think Einstein was Ti-ENTp as well, but probably a 9w1.
    I do as well.
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    Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?


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    John von Neumann definitely hadn't the high-strung energy that EJ types have, I really disagree with the ENTj typing, it doesn't sound sound to me...

    His VI indicates toward LII rather than ILE. He seems rather a controled and humble IJ than an inherent wacko like most EP types are (especially the intuitive types). He shows some kind of humbleness of personality on his pictures, what seems incompatible with EP and EJ types. He always looks contrained and clearly not assertive. In my opinion, he obviously seems to have a PoLR... He is totally feeble in matter of assertiveness.























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    ISFp

    he looks like Tereg.
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    Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
    Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?


    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
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    he looks like Tereg.

    C'mon Maritsa... He has to be a Logical type.

    It's not just because he is fat and has a rounded face that it makes him an ISFp.
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    IJ? Jesus that's a crazy typing, read his biography please. He was an extremely extraverted man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    IJ? Jesus that's a crazy typing, read his biography please. He was an extremely extraverted man.
    It really depends on what you consider extroversion, I really think that if he was extroverted it would probably appear on his pictures. Think twice, ponder about the subject. If he was EXTREMELY extroverted, it would probably be something remarkable even in his pictures, what is clearly not, in every single picture of him he is, what I would say, kind of EXTREMELY feeble.

    I'll try to read more on him, than I will post my conclusions on the theme... But I find "ENTj" a typing that is really hard to be true, he simply doesn't seem to fit to the archetype, neither the niche of this type.
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    I will show you someone in the same field who I think is LII



    Who is he? Douglas Engelbart - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Now, compare and contrast Engelbart with von Neumann
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