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    For information on Limiting/Empowering:
    http://the16types.info/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=22628

    Accepting is the stuff that is understood as soon as it is picked up.
    Creating is the stuff that is only understood when it has been looked at from many perspectives. One's understanding of these things needs to be constructed from the ground up.

    Accepting = Limiting when Dynamic, Empowering when Static
    Creating = Empowering when Dynamic, Limiting when Static

    Limiting/empowering is difficult to capture... but powerful. There are a number of different ways to distinguish either that aren't easy to reconcile though they certainly are united in one concept:

    Limiting: necessitated
    Empowering: contingent
    Limiting: fully determined
    Empowering: under-determined
    Limiting: in it's final state
    Empowering: in a transient state
    Limiting: must be
    Empowering: could be
    Limiting: singular (one possibility)
    Empowering: multiplar (many possibilities)

    I sometimes call Empowering "arbitrary". Not sure what the counterpart term is.

    -- some of these describe the catagory of information while others describe a single unit that is a member of said catagory. For example, Empowering information is an under-determined catagory of information, which means it's individual members are contingent/arbitrary.

    Accepting info is very safe and unpretentious. No one can disagree with it. It simply acknowledges something that exists.
    Creating info is daring and precipitous. It's relyability depends on a great number of previous occasions. It may very well be wrong.

    Interpose the two foregoing dichotomies with Static/Dynamic and you get some real cool stuff:
    Accepting/Limiting/Dynamic: things that are simply acknowledged at face value. Pick it up and use it. No questions about it. Very safe and certain.
    Creating/Limiting/Static: something encapsulated as a unit of understanding. Constructed from many observations and finalized after a long process of learning.
    Accepting/Empowering/Static: something that was suggested as a possibility by one's direct observations. Something that could or could not be useful but undenyably exists as one of the many possibities.
    Creating/Empowering/Dynamic: tricky... Something that is there but you don't know why. It invites wonder and curiousity. It can easily be copied and used but one would not know the significance of ones actions if one did. If a person ever does know what this kind of information is all about, it becomes the vessel of the person's most virtuous efforts. Application of a difficult to understand concept.

    What we more or less learn from this:
    Statics are all about boldly guessing things, bumping one's head, and finding out there are things you can't get around.
    Dynamics are all about first behaving predictably and unpretentiously, then upon learning what's going on making the right moves with great erudition and skill.

    Accepting/Limiting/Dynamic: I know this
    Creating/Limiting/Static: I understand this
    Accepting/Empowering/Static: this could be
    Creating/Empowering/Dynamic: I see this, but why?
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    Accepting/Limiting/Dynamic: A constatation. The event of noticing a piece of data that both invites new speculations and puts a limit on the possible situations outside. Also the activity of processing this data in the most meticulous way, tracking all possible oppurtunities to ruminate -- though not investing in a particular ruminatory attempt -- taking data for what it is and drawing sound conclusions from it.

    Accepting/Empowering/Static: A rumination. An attempt at fitting an observation into a larger context, the result of which is taken to be contingent, one amongst many possible options and in itself not to be taken very seriously. Despite one's lacking faith in the rumination's validity one explores it in full with one's full reserve of attention. The act of studying a single element out of large number of options and not sticking to the findings. Any point made from this kind of function is one of the format: "this is possible state of affairs" althought this particular format of speech is often forgone in favor of more determined phraseology (something that often confuses people who are of different dispositions than the speaker).

    Creating/Limiting/Static: A theoretical limitation. A factor that persisted through all attempted speculations. A part of reality that was found to limit the reach of one's imagination such that one was forced to acknowledge it as absolute. A principle that one comes to realize as impossible to ignore after long periods of deliberation. Also a product that one can transfer to others in the format of a belief to be either accepted or rejected by every recipient.

    Creating/Empowering/Dynamic: An enigma. A frivolous, contingent expression of a principle operating behind the screens. The part of an observation that one wishes to understand but rarely does in an immediate way. A missing piece in the puzzle of ones understanding that only falls in place once one is met with the principle or law that brought the pertaining expression about. Also a reproduction of an expression of a principle that one does know, an application of a law allowing erudite, flairful behavior with a high degree of correctness in relation to the standards to which said behavior is held. The claim that a certain observable thing is true made from firm knowledge of what one is talking about.

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    Initial post changed to include the reason for discarding object/field (introvert function/extorvert function).

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