Me: we have a baby shower on Saturday
Bf: oh shit I forgot
Me: I know that's why I'm reminding you...we have to be there
Bf: ok
Me: we have a baby shower on Saturday
Bf: oh shit I forgot
Me: I know that's why I'm reminding you...we have to be there
Bf: ok
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Bf takes phone and organizes apps
I go on my phone to find the Facebook app and I remember these things by where they appear on the screen. I can't find the app
Me:I can't find the Facebook app
Bf: I organized your apps
I'm stunned
Me:what how?
Bf: look for it. It's in alphabetical order
LOL
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Two weeks ago, after the morning coffee break, me, and my SLE and EIE coworkers while returning to our places, crossed our path with an ILI which said a weird WOOO verse in order to get some emotional reciprocation from us.
We turned our necks and watched him at the same moment, just for turning it back a second later, ignoring him, and this whole process happened in total synchronization.
I was like whoa, this was a failed attempt to use his Polr, which three Fe valuers readily recognized.
╰(•̀ 3 •́)━☆゚.*・。゚ IMHO, IME and sorry for my english are always included. ゚。・*˙゚☆
"I hate time. I have to live by time. I can't relax and enjoy. I'm always rushing. I have to go meet a client then go drop off paperwork and be in class by 3pm." Always rushing LSE
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
"Timing is never right for these things." LSE
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Everything has it's purpose. LSE
Grow the eff up and learn to control your hormones. Be patient LSE
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
My ESE friend and I, planning a trip (with me, ESE, other ESE friend and his LII partner):
ESE: I will go ahead and book the hotel in Savannah.
Me: But maybe we shouldn't book the hotel in advance. We might change our minds!
ESE: (brief pause) change our minds?
Me: Well, we might be on our way up to Savannah and decide to stop on the beach or we see a sign to a cool place and take a detour.
ESE: (slightly annoyed): We have an itinerary...
Me: But we could change our minds and then we have to hurry because we have a room booked!
ESE: We will not change our minds...
Me: But we might...
ESE (interrupts): No, we might not. We will book this hotel and we will not change our minds because I like to know where I sleep that night. I don't want to end up in some seedy trucker motel like you seem to all the time because you don't plan. (Other) ESE and LII will agree that we stick to our itinerary.
Me (cheerfully): But I would volunteer to pick up the phone in the middle of the night (backstory:I stayed in a seedy motel once and someone thought I was a hooker and called my room to set up a date).
ESE (had had enough): No! I am booking the hotel right now!
Me: *sigh* ok...OH! Can you see if they have these cool waffle maker thingies??? I love those! When I stayed at this place in xyz they had amazing breakfast! You know that was when....
ESE makes "mhm" and "uhuh" noises to pretend she is listening while booking the hotel (which had a waffle making thingy! <3).
“Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.”
― Anais Nin
My future father in law is LSE
Me:I've gotta go to the bank to get money out
Him: so you can buy a new computer right?
Me: no I'm going to try to get mine fixed (this was before I purchAsed the new one)
Him: you know I collect antiques. At some point you're going to have to get with the new technology and upgrade things.
Looks at his son
Him: maybe you should buy her a new computer
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
ESI: Filthy Communist!
SEE: Filthy Fascist!
Me:Two sides of the same coin peeps!
IEE Ne Creative Type
Some and role lovin too. () I too...
!!!!!!
Today we went to my dad's grave site. I was walking around silently putting flowers on my dad but inside I was crying, like there was a child in my brain dropping tears and remembering my father. I said "I'm sad" out loud and my ESE aunt said "You're sad? I can't tell." I thought to myself "really? I look so unhappy of course I'm sad" My IEE cousin saw me and she said "I know Maritsa. Every time we come here you remember and the memories make you sad."
How does one person see the other doesn't?
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I have a big family so we got together today
SEI: my mom doesn't have a religion
LSE: (screams out at her SEI sister) WHAT DO YOU MEAN THAT SHE DOESNT HAVE A RELIGION
SEI: I didn't mean she didn't have a religion. It's that....
LSE: (interrupts the sister) YOU DONT THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK. She lived under a communist nation and they disallowed the practice that doesn't mean she didn't have a religion
SEI: ( becomes scared and withdrawn from her unrestrained emotion) that's really what I meant to say
I'll find a rage quote in Socionics for LSE. LSE get upset when people speak without thinking as forethought (think before you speak) is important to them
Originally Posted by delta rational duality
Last edited by Beautiful sky; 07-17-2016 at 11:12 PM.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
LSE: There is always 1/6th of a change for each numbers.
Me: You are throwing two at once. There are more combinations to get 3 than 2 for example.
SEE: He can not think anything simple but then tells constantly things like this.
LSE: Yes, I have heard that 7 is the most probable in this case.
(and I won at Monopoly )
MOTTO: NEVER TRUST IN REALITY
Winning is for losers
Sincerely yours,
idiosyncratic type
Life is a joke but do you have a life?
Joinif you dare https://matrix.to/#/#The16Types:matrix.org
Reminds me of many SLI interactions. Like there is a standard way of doing things. Like when I was doing my military service and chopping wood in the forest with an axe.
Others: You are going to cut your foot.
Me: **continues** I have my own methods (and never cutting my own [or others] foot).
Reasoning: winter boots had a very long bouncy extension for skies which provided necessary protection even if axe hit my boot.
MOTTO: NEVER TRUST IN REALITY
Winning is for losers
Sincerely yours,
idiosyncratic type
Life is a joke but do you have a life?
Joinif you dare https://matrix.to/#/#The16Types:matrix.org
I think the following example that I stole off of my ENTj friend's Facebook page was a good rep of the type's 1. Enterprising nature and 2. Tactless nature
What do you think @Adam Strange
"Arrgh! I'm trying to launch THREE long-awaited projects tonight on assbook and the damn thing won't accept ANY of my new email addresses - and they are valid, functioning emails. I want to punch Zucker. in the face.
Anyone have a work-around for registering a new site? Don't tell me use my old email address cause I tried this and it didn't work either."
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Me (IEI) explaining Socionics to a person who's fairly well versed in MBTI-style cognitive functions and whom I've been typing as ILI in my head for a while now:
Me: "In my case, my MBTI type transferred over very easily because I relate far more to Te as something I'm both weak in and dislike rather than Se. I'm weak in Se but I like it. But for you, I don't think you're the Socionics equivalent of an INTP, you're more of their equivalent of an INTJ."
ILI: "Well literally every description and every aspect I've read on INTP has fit me completely perfectly."
Me: "--But functions are defined somewhat differently in Socionics, and if you're an LII, you're supposed to like people who are very good at, uh..."
Me:*trying to figure out how to phrase this in a way agreeable to the ILI, gives up*
Me: "Very good at manipulating the emotions of the situation."
ILI: "What the hell, I don't want someone who's a manipulative bitch."
Me: "That's not what I meant, I meant someone who is good at... tone stuff."
ILI starts nodding their head, in understanding more than in agreement
Me: "In other words Fe"
ILI: "I hate Fe"
Me: "I know. I've always known you to really hate everything accompanying it too, like you really hate advice about 'how to phrase that better', 'how to improve your tone'..."
ILI: *grimaces exaggeratedly, makes retching noises*
Me: "And according to Socionics that's why I keep pissing you off all the time"
ILI: *laughs*
Phobic So/Sp 6w7 3w2 9w1
Bit of a comic books nerd, bit of a fashion nerd, a lot of a generalized nerd
Happened just today. A short interaction between my father (XLE, seems to have both strong Ne and Se, though i'm leaning slightly towards SLE) and me (leaning towards LII for now) while making dinner.
Father: Don't cut the buns on the chopping board used for vegetables.
Me: Okay.
I proceed to cut the buns on another board
Father: Don't cut them on the board used for meat either.
Me: Okay, i'll take a fresh one.
I cut the first bun absentmindedly on the new chopping board, but for the second bun i went back to the meat board
Father: WHAT DID I JUST TELL YOU!?
Me: Oops...
I was a bit taken aback, honestly. He usually gets really annoyed at me for not paying attention or performing a task with my mind somewhere completely else. He has a way of startling me with sudden outbursts of frustration.
In his defense, i do this all the time.
Is this an example of rampant Ne vs 'correcting' Se in it's 'homefield'?
Does this tie in with the essential difference between Se suggestive and PoLR?
As in, Se suggestive seeks the push to perform in the external environment, and enjoys doing so, where Se PoLR rejects it and feels pressured by it?
ILEs don't really care where and how you cut your bread. They don't pay attention to details like this, unless it concerns some "system" that they carefully set up and don't want you to interfere with it. Even then the delivery is rarely sharp. It's usually SLEs who give you commands and then expect you to absorb and follow them immediately on the spot, a per their leading Se as well as them being "Declaring" types. Notice that what he tells you sounds like holographic-negativist a la ESI: he tells you what NOT to do instead of telling you what you SHOULD do, effectively cutting off and eliminating that behavior, which is result-negativist trait.
Keeping their environment in constant "ready mode" is also one of SLE traits. I don't perceive it as being startling, more like waking up, but that's probably the difference between Se PoLR and Se-seeking.
'holographic-negativist'
This sounds interesting, i can't say i'm familiar with this branch of theory. Any blanket terms or recommended reading i should look into?
And yeah, that probably is the difference between seeking and PoLR-Se. I percieve it (Se, in situations like the one i described) as a blatant violation of my 'world' and it definitely startles me and offends me.
Funny you should mention 'waking up', as my brother, who i think is a pretty clear IXI, describes it exactly like that. He feels that the push is incredibly productive and effective, whereas i find it so, so disturbing to my mental process and frankly offends me.
I could see how Si HA would 'feel' this way in response to Se. It's not perceived as a violation of anything internal on my end since what their Se is always about some external parameters or external activities, so it really has nothing to do with my 'inner' world the way I see it. It kind of makes things snap sharper into focus and that is somehow motivational.
The terms come from the Cognitive Styles article: http://wikisocion.net/en/index.php?t...amic_Cognition but there also bits of this that you can pick up from type descriptions:
- "ESI first draws near to a person, then moves away, seeming to probe the individual from all sides, cutting off those who could let them down."
- "Possibly, it is for this reason that all of ISFj's "commandments" and directives are so categorical, and state primarily and precisely what a person should NOT do."
- "Art is the elimination of the unnecessary" - Pablo Picasso, SLE.
There are four types that share the traits of static, negativist, and result that exhibit the kind of thinking style called Holographic-Panoramic. Since they are result-negativists a feature of their mental process that they are usually better at seeing what needs to be eliminated or cut off than growing and accruing, be it objects, people, or some kind of habits, actions, or behaviors.
Cool beans. I will look into that.
LOL. People should cut their buns the way they want to cut them. Trying out different things just for fun. In fact I think someone should cut bottom of the bun and cut nearly alongside of the edges never making the to the top, figure out how to take the bottom part off and then put something between leaving totally untouched look when glanced from the distance.
MOTTO: NEVER TRUST IN REALITY
Winning is for losers
Sincerely yours,
idiosyncratic type
Life is a joke but do you have a life?
Joinif you dare https://matrix.to/#/#The16Types:matrix.org
"And Maxine Waters, a very low IQ individual. Did you ever see her?" Trump told a Pennsylvania crowd at a rally for GOP House candidate Rick Saccone.
http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...-iq-individual
Christmas gathering tonight. This stuff was just funny to me moreso than being perfectly representative or whatever.
SEI: "when I was a little girl, I was supposed to finish my plate, so I would hide whatever was left inside my cheeks. Later on, while watching tv with my family, I would suddenly start chewing and swallowing it. I was a chubby kid. That's how I got the nickname 'little chipmunk'"
LII: *talking about kettles for some reason*
Me: what do you use kettles for?
LII: I use a large kettle for brewing beer
Me: do you stir it with a large spoon like a witch?
LII: I have, when using candy sugar like the monks
Me: can you buy the monk beer in stores, or do you have to travel to the mountains of Nepal or something?
LII: *smirks at me for being an idiot* they're from Belgium
LSE: "picture time! If you identify as male, stand behind the couch. If you identify as female, sit on the couch. If you identify as nonbinary...get the fuck out of my house"
My LII ex: "Your mess is like God, it's everywhere!"
Me: "I'd like to buy make up that fits my skin tone."
LII: "Let's go to the supermarket and we'll buy some flour."
What is a CD? LOL. Some form of ancient technology? That thingy sounds like a huge space waster, tbh.
MOTTO: NEVER TRUST IN REALITY
Winning is for losers
Sincerely yours,
idiosyncratic type
Life is a joke but do you have a life?
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I thought the LII's comment was both creative and funny. The messes that Ni-doms can make (me, included) can be truly staggering, because they (we) don't actually "see" the mess. The focus is on the ethereal, not on what's in front of them.
As for LII's being mean, I've seen them trying to be mean but they seem to fail dismally at that. From my standpoint, they just end up being funny. Maybe it's an Extinguishment thing; we can't really affect each another in any significant way.
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My ESI friend and I are working on microscopes. I work much faster than her.
ESI: How are you doing it so fast?
Me: I just came to a conclusion that in case of the ambiguous samples I should choose whatever fits, because the general tendency should come out correct anyways.
ESI: Oh, okay.
...
ESI: So, how are you doing it?
Me: Just don't overanalyse samples like *this one*!
Some time later:
Me: I finished!
ESI: What? No! I still have so much to do! And I have my piano course in four hours and I wanted to eat something before I go.
Me: I will help you, then we're going to the pizzeria and you're buying me a margherita for my help.
ESI: Okay, but I swear you're constantly hungry and trying to set me up in buying you food.
Me: But do you want to be on time?
ESE: *hugs me from behind*
Me: ->
Everytime my ESE sister sees a small dog (or cat):
ESE: What a cute pup!!!!111!! [to our LSI dad]: Will you buy me one for birthday?
LSI: According to you every small dog is cute.
Me: And then they grow up...
hubs: you have one hour and thirty minutes to get all you need from the store
me:why? (sounding upset because i need more time)
hubs: the game
me: returns two hours later
hub: HI BABY
patient!!!
ILE: ESTJs do x (can't remember specifics)
me: not all of them
ILE: stop quoting me don't you have anything better to do than invalid what i say?
me: oh i'm supervising you i'll go away now, but know that you're wrong in this case
classic j/p argument lol
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html