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    He wrote a book on how to have better interpersonal skills. Pure ESFp.
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    "How to Win Friends and Influence People"

    Well that's basically Se and Fi written as a sentence. I found his books to be pretty interesting and useful, if not pretty obvious and common-sense stuff.

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    I resonate much with his stuff, creative is obvious concerning the relational component but also "drama" character, the expression of it. He's pretty much into conflict avoidance though, could SEE still fit with that nevertheless, just gaining "influence/leadership" through ?


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    I'm pretty sure there was a newer thread on this guy...anyways, I agree with SEE.

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    I agree very creative

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    I just finished his book How to Win Friends and Influence People. I agree, by that title one could easily assume Fi & Se. However, the way he goes about influencing people sounds like an avoidance of Se, unless I'm mistaken. I believe the title is a bit misleading. He actually doesn't think you should use force to influence people, is very against the use of force or telling people what to do, but would rather look at things from the other persons perspective and come up with new ideas so that both can be happy and benefit. He's very interested in the potential of other people, and believes in encouraging other people to help them grow. He thinks people should do this whether they benefit or not.

    "Yes, you who are reading these lines possess powers of various sorts which you habitually fail to use; and one of these powers you are probably not using to the fullest extent is your magic ability to praise people and inspire them with a realization of their latent possibilities."

    Furthermore, he frequently emphasizes the consequences of ones actions in a way that doesn't seem very 1D Ni. At all. He's more like 'stop and think. If I get mad and say or do what I want, what will happen? Ones first reaction isn't always the best or right. Probably so and so will happen, and that is not very beneficial to me or the other party.'

    Another thing is that he very frequently uses Abraham Lincoln as a prime example of how to handle people, giving examples from Lincolns life and how he handled situations, and he's basically saying do like Lincoln does. I personally think Lincoln was EII. Would a SEE admire how someone with Se PoLR handled interpersonal conflict?

    Now, perhaps something being beneficial is Se, or is it Te? Idk. But I would like to put those things on the table as I'm not fully convinced Dale Carnegie was SEE. I'm actually thinking he could be IEE, unless I'm going about understanding these things completely wrong and someone would like to set me straight. Just some things to think about...
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    I agree with IEE. EII could be. Hard to see Gamma SF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aster View Post
    I just finished his book How to Win Friends and Influence People. I agree, by that title one could easily assume Fi & Se. However, the way he goes about influencing people sounds like an avoidance of Se, unless I'm mistaken. I believe the title is a bit misleading. He actually doesn't think you should use force to influence people, is very against the use of force or telling people what to do, but would rather look at things from the other persons perspective and come up with new ideas so that both can be happy and benefit. He's very interested in the potential of other people, and believes in encouraging other people to help them grow. He thinks people should do this whether they benefit or not.

    "Yes, you who are reading these lines possess powers of various sorts which you habitually fail to use; and one of these powers you are probably not using to the fullest extent is your magic ability to praise people and inspire them with a realization of their latent possibilities."

    Furthermore, he frequently emphasizes the consequences of ones actions in a way that doesn't seem very 1D Ni. At all. He's more like 'stop and think. If I get mad and say or do what I want, what will happen? Ones first reaction isn't always the best or right. Probably so and so will happen, and that is not very beneficial to me or the other party.'

    Another thing is that he very frequently uses Abraham Lincoln as a prime example of how to handle people, giving examples from Lincolns life and how he handled situations, and he's basically saying do like Lincoln does. I personally think Lincoln was EII. Would a SEE admire how someone with Se PoLR handled interpersonal conflict?

    Now, perhaps something being beneficial is Se, or is it Te? Idk. But I would like to put those things on the table as I'm not fully convinced Dale Carnegie was SEE. I'm actually thinking he could be IEE, unless I'm going about understanding these things completely wrong and someone would like to set me straight. Just some things to think about...
    I haven't read the book and I don't know what type he is, I just wanna add I don't think is necessarily about using force. I've actually rarely seen gamma SFs use force to influence people, and it works out well when they don't. I've seen some SEEs use force, especially some male ones (though I'm not sure what changes that they are male, except that I would venture that society expects force out of men more readily so it can explain that some SEEs are likely to use it due to social conditoning, in other words if one SEE uses force and one doesn't because of social expectations, this behavior should be seen more as a result of nurture than socionics...) but it is more rare.

    I realize is described as forceful, but yet, getting what it wants at the same time, I'm not quite sure how one can be both, especially in our society where force will land you in jail iow the opposite of what you want.

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    I usually read this during teenage years. How to stop worrying and start living.
    I don't worry that time though but it gave me a preparation on how useless worrying is

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    I was forced by an LSE to listen to recordings of Carnegie material. Very folksy ideas, sort of Mr Rogers for grownups.

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    I was reading his quotes, that's a good resume and portray of IEE view points and thoughts. I've heard IEE repeat over and over the same stuff over the years. I think SEE is far from Dales that approach even when they can enjoy IEEs perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aster View Post
    I just finished his book How to Win Friends and Influence People. I agree, by that title one could easily assume Fi & Se. However, the way he goes about influencing people sounds like an avoidance of Se, unless I'm mistaken. I believe the title is a bit misleading. He actually doesn't think you should use force to influence people, is very against the use of force or telling people what to do, but would rather look at things from the other persons perspective and come up with new ideas so that both can be happy and benefit. He's very interested in the potential of other people, and believes in encouraging other people to help them grow. He thinks people should do this whether they benefit or not.

    "Yes, you who are reading these lines possess powers of various sorts which you habitually fail to use; and one of these powers you are probably not using to the fullest extent is your magic ability to praise people and inspire them with a realization of their latent possibilities."

    Furthermore, he frequently emphasizes the consequences of ones actions in a way that doesn't seem very 1D Ni. At all. He's more like 'stop and think. If I get mad and say or do what I want, what will happen? Ones first reaction isn't always the best or right. Probably so and so will happen, and that is not very beneficial to me or the other party.'

    Another thing is that he very frequently uses Abraham Lincoln as a prime example of how to handle people, giving examples from Lincolns life and how he handled situations, and he's basically saying do like Lincoln does. I personally think Lincoln was EII. Would a SEE admire how someone with Se PoLR handled interpersonal conflict?

    Now, perhaps something being beneficial is Se, or is it Te? Idk. But I would like to put those things on the table as I'm not fully convinced Dale Carnegie was SEE. I'm actually thinking he could be IEE, unless I'm going about understanding these things completely wrong and someone would like to set me straight. Just some things to think about...
    fantastic analysis! I have noticed the Ne too and I agree with IEE.
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