The Muppets (Show)

[Crispy]

Yeah, but if you'll notice, Ernie never did ask for water. He just kept commenting to himself about how he was thirsty.

Hmmmmm, declaring > asking eh...?
The declaring IM types are ESE, SEI, LSI, SLE, LIE, ILI, EII, IEE.

[leckysupport]

Yeah, but if you'll notice, Ernie never did ask for water. He just kept commenting to himself about how he was thirsty. It's exaggerated Infantile behaviour.

I don't know much about the exact context of the relationship between the two characters but ime complaining can sometimes be the same as asking depending on the complainer. Although what made me think Ernie was doing more than just vaguely commenting on how thirsty he was was his response to receiving the water from Bert. To me it sounded like Bert was attempting to reinforce Bert's response to his complaining by giving him compliments.

Or do you think it sounds more like a Caregiver, Aggressor, or Victim? I dunno, I'm just not seeing those.

I'm not sure if it's anything. All I would admit to saying is that Ernie's behaviour is Si related.

[consentingadult]

No labcoat, don't believe those fibs. They're gays.

They are gays in the ancient greek sense: an older guy who transfers the wisdom of his life to a younger pupil... etc.etc. (you get what I mean).

[Suz]

I was going to mention a similar thing as leckysupport actually, in regards to thirsty Ernie. If he had simply done one iteration of the "I'm thirsty, I'm thirsty" with bert responding with a glass of water and Ernie feeling much much better and being so thankful, I would have said yes definitely infantile, no question. It was the fact that he kept doing it that already started making it seem like Ernie was using Bert as a servant or trying to annoy Bert actually, and really I interpreted it as Ernie pretty much asking for water because ss that point he already knew the water would make him feel better and could have gone to get some himself.

[Creepy-bg]

[Logos]

A question I have about the LII typing of Bert: If Bert is an LII, would he not also exhibit infantile qualities?

[717495]

Bert's not an INTj.

[Suz]

A question I have about the LII typing of Bert: If Bert is an LII, would he not also exhibit infantile qualities?

well he obviously wasn't a caregiver.

But yeah you're right. I guess he seems more victim-aggressory. Or, he's an Ij infantile (LII or EII), which would make him seem more put-together than Ernie.

Or maybe it's ESE (Ernie) - LSI (Bert)?

[Crispy]

ILI Bert anyone? He's been the "victim" in every one of these videos.

[Galen]

When was the last time anybody here saw Sesame Street?

[Absurd]

Best way figuring out Bert and Ernie's type would be trying to compare them to members on here (their types). Let's do it.

[717495]

Best way figuring out Bert and Ernie's type would be trying to compare them to members on here (their types). Let's do it.

Galen and Bulletsanddoves?

[Absurd]

Galen and Bulletsanddoves?

Haha.

[Suz]

ILI Bert anyone? He's been the "victim" in every one of these videos.

Yeah i'd be ok with that typing actually.

[Suz]

When was the last time anybody here saw Sesame Street?

a very very long time ago. something between 15-20 years ago.

[Absurd]

Game Player - Sesame Street

[Jenna]

When was the last time anybody here saw Sesame Street?

two days ago, dont think bert and ernie were on though... i agree with krig's typing.

[CILi]

YouTube - Ernie's Rhyming Game

That completely made my day. (Only been up five minutes, but still. Really good stuff.)

Could that vid be, yet, even more proof that Bert's Fe Dual-Seeking?

Maybe it's just how the skits are written, but it seems a pretty common trope that Ernie spends 99% of the clip trying to rile Bert up, then schleps off to something else for the last few seconds when Bert finally "gives in" to emotion and joins the fun. Were Ernie his dual, I'd think they might actually sync up and share some of that feeling (even if really briefly), but I've yet to see it happen.

When was the last time anybody here saw Sesame Street?

Tomorrow. New season. TiVo.

[Absurd]

That completely made my day. (Only been up five minutes, but still. Really good stuff.)

Could that vid be, yet, even more proof that Bert's Fe Dual-Seeking?

Maybe it's just how the skits are written, but it seems a pretty common trope that Ernie spends 99% of the clip trying to rile Bert up, then schleps off to something else for the last few seconds when Bert finally "gives in" to emotion and joins the fun. Were Ernie his dual, I'd think they might actually sync up and share some of that feeling (even if really briefly), but I've yet to see it happen.

Well, well, well. Do I know you - what type are you ? A serious thread demands serious answers. What do you say ?

[CILi]

Well, well, well. Do I know you - what type are you ? A serious thread demands serious answers.

Well, ...I'm not really sure yet.

Serious.

[Absurd]

Well, ...I'm not really sure yet.

Serious.

Thanks.

[Suz]

That completely made my day. (Only been up five minutes, but still. Really good stuff.)

Could that vid be, yet, even more proof that Bert's Fe Dual-Seeking?

Maybe it's just how the skits are written, but it seems a pretty common trope that Ernie spends 99% of the clip trying to rile Bert up, then schleps off to something else for the last few seconds when Bert finally "gives in" to emotion and joins the fun. Were Ernie his dual, I'd think they might actually sync up and share some of that feeling (even if really briefly), but I've yet to see it happen.


Tomorrow. New season. TiVo.

LOL yeah, and proof of Ernie's Ne base!

I agree with Bert's dual syncing up to share some of that feeling, and Ernie not matching that. Ernie got bored by the time Bert started having fun, and thought of something more interesting to do.

[Krig the Viking]

why do you all even care what their types are anyway? They're effing puppets. One's free for all & goofy, the other is nervous & grouchy.

I'm an LII. I take great joy in compulsively categorizing everything.

A question I have about the LII typing of Bert: If Bert is an LII, would he not also exhibit infantile qualities?

IJ Infantiles have 2-d Si, which means they can provide for some of their own Caregiving (albeit with difficulty), unlike an EP Infantile, who is fairly helpless in these matters.

Another good question is: why would an LSI give in and get Ernie his water? Wouldn't an LSI, with Creative Se, be more likely to stubbornly resist and tell Ernie "Get your own bloody water!" Bert giving in and getting water not once but three times, when he clearly does not want to do so, seems like Se in the Point of Least Resistance to me.

That completely made my day. (Only been up five minutes, but still. Really good stuff.)

Could that vid be, yet, even more proof that Bert's Fe Dual-Seeking?

Maybe it's just how the skits are written, but it seems a pretty common trope that Ernie spends 99% of the clip trying to rile Bert up, then schleps off to something else for the last few seconds when Bert finally "gives in" to emotion and joins the fun. Were Ernie his dual, I'd think they might actually sync up and share some of that feeling (even if really briefly), but I've yet to see it happen.


Tomorrow. New season. TiVo.

Excellent analysis. I feel quite confident now that Bert is LII (with LSI being a distant second possibility).

[Logos]

IJ Infantiles have 2-d Si, which means they can provide for some of their own Caregiving (albeit with difficulty), unlike an EP Infantile, who is fairly helpless in these matters.

Still not seeing it.

Another good question is: why would an LSI give in and get Ernie his water? Wouldn't an LSI, with Creative Se, be more likely to stubbornly resist and tell Ernie "Get your own bloody water!" Bert giving in and getting water not once but three times, when he clearly does not want to do so, seems like Se in the Point of Least Resistance to me.

Because the LSI knows that he stands no match against Ernie's persistence. LSI are not as stubborn as you want to depict them.