Good. Now I'm less tired and irritable, it's good to see that people can provide a justification for something when I ask for it. Even when I don't directly ask for it. Ahhhh, the beauty of strong Se and a silvertongue.
What upbringing?
Okay.I don't know what he said about the sensing thing, but it does seem odd. Personally, I've always thought EP temperament fit best for him (but IP would even fit better than EJ), due to the general energy levels. Based on his recent video, I rethought that, but you have to consider that preconception guides action quite often. I also never really saw how he was Ni/Se valuing; he always seemed to care about the physical Si continuum and feeling of harmony produced from it, than just interacting with the bare qualities of physical phenomena, merely gauging the magnitude of a given impulse and moving on (bodily movements are also much more smooth than discrete, which IMO DOES illustrate Si/Se differences). Even the way he described his (who I believe is) ISTj high school football coach, sounded like classic confliction (my impression is buttressed by the fact that my ENFp brother and father have responded IDENTICALLY to ISTj's - like my grandfather - and the beta attitude in general). Obviously this doesn't discount alpha; I'm just pointing it out. As for Fe vs. Fi, I think his ostensible behaviors merely reflect a more stereotypical version of Fe, but that the way he actually thinks is Fi. Can't pinpoint exactly why, but I just never sensed that he was tracking emotional trends/reactions/etc. dynamically like I would. And his previous talk about exploring all the possibilities in life, making the most out of experience, seemed to reflect the typical ENxp outlook. I seriously cannot see him as an ESFj. He just doesn't seem controlling (not necessarily literally, but overall psychological control), balanced (Si normativeness) and focused on external activity (dynamics of objects) or structuring it. And this probably doesn't mean too much, but the aristocratic quadra attitude fits better IMO.
[quote=JuJu;435461]Thank you, Nick, for doing some of the work for me... If there's one type I know I'm not, it's ESFj...
Woah, woah, hold up. Let's see you try and analyse someone over a computer screen. I am perfectly fucking brilliant at reading people. Just not their internal emotional state.Ezra, this is a bad typing... I know that 'reading ppl' isn't a natural strength of yours, so I will humor you here... That said, I'm upset I'm about to waste time with this.
You mother is doing that because she is a Caregiver. If you don't appreciate this, then fair enough, you've convinced me on some level that ESE is unlikely. Not only have you demonstrated your shitness in Si, but also your dislike of it.--I have no control over Si... I.e. I will eat, drink, smoke, sit in a weird positions to excess and have no fucking clue I am doing it... These sorts of matters do not disrupt any sort of "continuum" for me--they are the norm... Contrast with my ESE Mom, who notices every nuance of something I'd call 'comfortableness.' "Why are you sitting in that strange position..? Wouldn't it be more comfortable just to lay down like a normal person..? Isn't it cold in here..? My, there are so many dirty dishes!!"
Also, the way she imposes her emotions--Fe leading--it's too fucking obtrusive--and I love my Mom to death--but I am not like that... I will attempt to control ppl's emotions only when I believe they need controlling--when it's necessary...
strrrng, is this good evidence for an Infantile? No.
No you don't. You have equally bad control/awareness of Se as you do Si if you are an intuitive.Personally, I have much better control/awareness of Se than Si.
Okay, fair enough.
Yeah, pretty much. I don't care if it's irritating, offensive or misleading. That won't stop me from doing it.
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Ezra, SLE doesn't equal 'crazed maniac closet-case sociopath with a mafia fetish.' Get a grip.
Internal emotional states is actually btw. is about the relationship between two objects.
Sometimes.I am perfectly fucking brilliant at reading people.
You're like those annoying flies that need to be swatted. Shoo, fly!I don't care if it's irritating, offensive or misleading. That won't stop me from doing it.
I've talked to Justin extensively in the past few days and I am now certain that we are identicals - both in socionics and enneagram. Fe-INFp 4w3 sx/so ftw. (I'm sx/sp, 4w5 and Ni sub, but the base is still there).
So many IEIs. I wanna be a unique and beautiful snowflake. =(
My most recent observations suggest that 83.57% of mankind are IEIs, so they're not unique anyway.
, LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
Originally Posted by implied