If anyone has any anecdotes of their ID functions manifesting, I would love to hear them!
(All of a sudden I'm fascinated with subconscious functions).
If anyone has any anecdotes of their ID functions manifesting, I would love to hear them!
(All of a sudden I'm fascinated with subconscious functions).
Well the other night I dreamt I was beating up this girl in my class who annoys me.
Dreams eh? I dreamt the other night that I was a nice/sweet/passive & sand blonde child actor in California doing a shark movie where I'd do each scene diving into the ocean and race to the safety nets (it was like a curtain of metal shark mesh) and then the nice lady assistant would take me back up to shoot another scene. It was only then when I woke up that I realized that I had a dream where I was in a dangerous situation... but I was afraid in the dream at all.
Okay Freud, have fun with that =p
Essentially the ID functions are just functions that are sacrificed and disregarded in a way that other people of other types will think is totally arrogant or disrespectful. However, since these are subconscious functions the effects of ID functions are not conscious to the person using them.Originally Posted by ishysquishy
Basically the main diffrenct between the 7th and 8th function is that a person can typically use the 7th, but the 8th may be totally disregarded. Think of the Id block as a reversed dual to the the Super-Ego block ...
I've got plenty of anecdots for this thread, but I don't think it's with me to tell them here.
Last night I had a dream about this site, to be honest with you. It was kind of funny, but actually uneasy whilst dreaming.
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
I disagree, McNew.
I honestly do not think that my Ne is disregarded.
But the above sentence might be exactly due to a disregarded Ne.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
To state the obvious, I agree with FDG.
My brother is ENTp. I can perfectly see how hisis much more dominant than mine, but I certainly don't think mine is disregarded. That becomes clear when dealing with ISXjs.
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, LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
Originally Posted by implied
Originally Posted by Expat
Originally Posted by FDG
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Originally Posted by Rocky
Of course a person of a specific type would deny that their 8th function is disregarded, because it is something that the observer notices. For example, an ENTp usesto avoid using
[as in that they do not want to use the logical thought processes of others] ... an ENTp does not want to follow the logical solutions of others
so an ENTp is going to use his
to create a new logical solution that he could call his own. However, an ENTp may offend other people who expect them to follow certain solutions to obtain specific answers, but they will not so long as they are acting naturally. On the other hand, if an ENTp forces himself to follow another persons logic and solutions, that is another story altogether. But it is not something that is in an ENTps nature to do.
You're not really replying to our posts, actually.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
Either that, or I did not meet your expectations ... what do you expect?Originally Posted by FDG
The motivation for the type to believe that a function is not disregarded.Originally Posted by rmcnew
How, for example, could I be able to see both sides of a question by using Ni? It doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
Maybe the word "disregarded" is causing some to fixate their minds on something other than what I intended,Originally Posted by FDG
For this example, I am using type ENTp with#8 Function of Concrete Art
strong
producing
Your function of concrete art is a function which automatically creates for yourself and helps others with. You typically are not even aware of this function as a skill.as the 2nd function, and
as the 8th ..
Essentially this is saying that when a ENTp uses, they are doing so because they have already used their
to gauge the logical solutions of others. However, they must also naturally disregard whatever they have guaged from
in order to use
. This is in itself the source of an ENTps origionality. So, I am not saying that an ENTp does not use
, just that they activelly disregard what they gauge from it.
However, an ENTp also does not notice this process and does not realize that he or she is being perceived by some as arrogant in the process, because there are some who value following the logic thought processes of others and find it disrespectful.
Am I clear now or do I have to keep reclarifying?
Oh, dear lord, that's not what Te is like at all...Originally Posted by rmcnew
...please, FDG and Expat, set him straight!
... I'd say not always...However, they must also naturally disregard whatever they have guaged from Te in order to use Ti.
There is so much I'd like to write about Te right here, but, bah... just read Jung's descriptions. He explains them better.
Rocky, that is whatOriginally Posted by Rocky
does when it is an 8th function ... I was not talking about
as a 1st or 2nd function.
Well, I don't "disregard"but I see it as a marked weakness (although the tests always say it's strong, hrm). I wouldn't think that I had any idea what morals were, and relationships? I consider myself a klutz in this respect, actually. Then again I might be confusing this with my non-reaction to things requiring ethical judgement...
Of course people are not intentionally "disregarding" the 8th function, it just happens and you have no idea when or how you are doing it.
Unless you study socionics of course ...
I do agree with that. I was more trying to illustrate what I thought you meant by "disregard". I'm not sure how successful I was.Originally Posted by rmcnew
I liked talking about dreams better :/