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ISFp jobs/careers/occupations: what do SEIs do for a living?
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Anything you want. The world is your oyster ^-^
ILE
7w8 so/sp
Very busy with work. Only kind of around.
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D-SEI
This is me and my dual being scientific together
medical research participant.
6w5 sx
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house stager
ILE
7w8 so/sp
Very busy with work. Only kind of around.
Whatever the job for the ISFP, it has to serve a purpose. While they are good at arts/crafts if those things they do not produce income or lead to no where they will not go for it. Unsurprisingly you will find a lot of ISFPs doing office/technical work I think they do wish they can be musicians or artists but reality says only the best/unique can be so. Even in office work ISFPs still find time to be artistic whether in discussion or their desk ornaments.
SEIs what do you do for a living?
i have a couple of occupation related questions for the SEIs on this forum. you don't have to answer all of these if you're not comfortable revealing too much personal information, but it would be great if you can comment on a few.
1. what do you currently do for a living? what kind of jobs have you held in the past? what did you enjoy or hate about these jobs and the places where you worked? which was your most/least favorite job?
2. what in your experience and/or opinion would be a good occupation for an ISFp? what kind of occupation would you like to have if you had all the means available to you?
3. what is/was your major if you have attended college? what subjects did you like in school? what subjects were you good at (language, math, science, etc.)?
My dad and sister are both SEI.
My sister is a Registered Nurse. When she was putting herself through college she worked at a grocery store and then later as a waitress. Actually when she graduated and started working as an RN she still kept one of her shifts at the restaurant because she really loved it and she only worked 3 days a week at the hospital. I think she missed her regulars and all that.
My dad is a master carpenter. He has held various positions in a metal foundry as well as being a foreman there. He has been a crane operator. He has been a welder in the union building freeway overpasses and bridges and such. He has been a building inspector. Right now he builds houses with a small construction company. It's a small crew of 4-5 people. They do everything from laying the concrete foundation to building the frame to doing the electrical, etc. He told me a few years ago that he always wanted to be an EMT. I was pretty shocked at that. I had no idea. Also, he loves to babysit his grandkids. Lol. He could probably seriously run a nursery.
Current: Forever a student :'D I live off student loans and part-time jobs. Currently a healthy/sport smoothie and juice bar that also sells vitamin supplements. Trying to get another part-time job at an artsy cafe downtown. Love the atmosphere of these places, hate not being able to (or feeling brave enough to ask) manage my own work hours/schedule. I'll soon be going for training to become a birth and post-partum doula though. So hopefully then I can actually have an income and set up my own appointments OTL
My "ideal" occupation would probably be stay-at-home mom/caregiver with some volunteer work or part-time employment n the side with something I'm passionate about. Have also though about doula, midwife, or counselor as other options if I can't find anyone to marry lol Anything with a "helping" role and working with people seems like a possible fit.
I have a degree in psychology, and have been taking courses in bio as prep for midwifery. My favourite classes are social sciences and creative subjects (theatre, art, writing). I excelled in languages and essay-writing too, and I'm quite good at math and science as long as I pay attention to the material and do my homework. The only subject I really dislike is history :/
Hope that helps!
One SEI I know does administrative work at a small liberal arts college. She checks submitted applications, answers any questions from parents and students, mails admissions materials. She has a good eye for detail. In school her favorite subjects were language and literature.
1. what do you currently do for a living? what kind of jobs have you held in the past? what did you enjoy or hate about these jobs and the places where you worked? which was your most/least favorite job?
I am currently a mental health support worker. In the past I have had a job in retail and a job in a nursing home. I hated retail with the passion because I dislike lying to people. Plus they gave me zero training and I am extremely uncomfortable with just winging it and having zero guidance. I loved working in the nursing home but I had to leave for my own mental health. There was a lot of institutionalised abuse going on and I was being really bullied by two carers and one senior carer. I'm not sure which was my least favourite job. I didn't get bullied in my retail job but the work was boring and I found dealing with customers difficult. I loved the actual work at the nursing home but it made me extremely ill. I think they were both pretty shitty for different reasons. I like my current job although it can be quite stressful because they've currently made cutbacks because I work for the NHS. And it's very low pay
2. what in your experience and/or opinion would be a good occupation for an ISFp? what kind of occupation would you like to have if you had all the means available to you?
I don't know if I can speak for all SEIs but for me personally I like jobs where I can be of service..more so in a caring way. I'm deeply shy so sometimes I find this hard and have the desire to just get a really solitary job because people can be too much for me but I know I wouldn't be truly happy. I think I'd like to be a Occupational Therapist but it's not very practical to train as one at the moment. I am trying to build up some savings in case I ever want to go back to university and train as one but I can't really see that happening.
3. what is/was your major if you have attended college? what subjects did you like in school? what subjects were you good at (language, math, science, etc.)?
I was studying Mental Health Nursing at uni but I only did a year and dropped out. Really was not what I expected. The only patient contact I had was with clinical procedures, like the drugs round etc. I felt really disillusioned and disappointed.
At school I enjoyed English because I was very good at it. I'm not so good at it now because I have forgotten a lot of the rules of English and but at the time I was the best in my class. I really liked Art too. I enjoyed some modules of Psychology but not all. When I was very young I really enjoyed athletics (NOT competitive sports or team sports, way too aggressive for me) and it was actually my ambition to become some sort of athlete. I was very good at long distance running and was on the cross country team and competed against other schools. But as I got older I disliked training and I became very body conscious when I started puberty so I didn't want to wear shorts and run etc. I also took a Nutrition and Health class for two years which I really enjoyed...but I can hardly remember a thing I learned. I actually don't remember many things from school...I must be getting old.
1. what do you currently do for a living? what kind of jobs have you held in the past? what did you enjoy or hate about these jobs and the places where you worked? which was your most/least favorite job?
Currently, I am a server in a restaurant on the weekends (bleh). During the week, I have an internship at a psychotherapy office (yay).
In the past, I've been a general manager of an ice cream shop, quality assurance tester for social media games, upholstery apprentice, office assistant, and sales associate.
I loved the freedom the ice cream shop provided. I made the ice cream and decorated cakes all while having a good time. I found testing games enjoyable at first, until I could no longer handle the personality of my team lead. She constantly talked about her sexting and cybering with guys on skype while sitting next to her fiance. It was gross and I don't like people who are flashy in that sense. My apprenticeship was a major lapse in judgement. I enjoyed the idea of renewing furniture because of my knack for interior design, but I am not cut out for power tools and physical labor. Retail was nice, I mostly untangled necklaces and folded clothes, and the clothing discount left little to complain about :-)
2. what in your experience and/or opinion would be a good occupation for an ISFp? what kind of occupation would you like to have if you had all the means available to you?
I am attracted to office positions where making the environment comfortable, organized and easy to navigate are part of the job description. Any position with strict schedules, deadlines and little flexibility grow old fast. I can't say what a good occupation would be since I only have experience in entry level positions... I think that restaurant jobs are nice when starting out in the workforce, especially as a host. You have a nice dose of socializing and free food from the kitchen, but without all pressure of trying to sell and upsell tables. But I think as long as the work isn't physically demanding and the people are easy to deal with, a SEI could fit anywhere.
If I could be anything, anything at all? I would do research like Johns Hopkins does with psilocybin. Nothing interests me more than psychology, the brain and altered states.
3. what is/was your major if you have attended college? what subjects did you like in school? what subjects were you good at (language, math, science, etc.)?
I am a psychology major. My favorite classes in college were physiological psychology and philosophy (both taught by entps lol). I also performed really well in science labs, not so much in the lectures. In high school, I did best in math and science. I almost went to an art focused high school, but didn't pass the second cut. Not being accepted was a major blow to my 13 year old self esteem and I stopped drawing and painting after that. However, I never lost the interest in art and hope to practice art therapy in the future.
bumping thread
there aren't many alpha SF's on the forum but does anyone have anecdotes about what their alpha SF friends do for a living?
do you mean something that you might also be able to do?
if so, my contribution wont be that helpful to you personally perhaps...but i'm in medicine, and i know plenty of other alpha SFs in medicine and nursing as well. Filatova's description specifically says SEIs make good doctors, actually:
from: http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...Fp-description
Maybe this list will be helpful to you from the other suggestions though!
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
My significant other (R) is a production manager for a company that makes crossarms (for telephone/electricity poles). R went into the military after high school. Then when he got out he got a job at the company his father was working for. R started doing up the numbers analysis for the unions, for when they were negotiating with the company. When the production manager left, the company was going to hire his father, but the job required computer abilities, which his father can't do. Because of his father, and his number analysis skill, R was suggested for the job. He's frustrated because he doesn't feel that he's earning his money, that he doesn't really provide a useful service for the company. He says they constantly praise him, but he feels like a fraud. He thinks any of the other managers could add his duties onto theirs with little problem. He worries that he'll be fired once they find out just how easy his job is.
IEE 649 sx/sp cp
SEI ex-roommate - she was a year into the history PhD program when we met and seemed to be very content with and determined to go through with it. She wanted to become a history professor - that was her dream.
SEI co-worker - she was working on getting a masters in chemistry then she wanted to apply for law school and become a patent lawyer; she said she wanted to do this because it would allow her to work from home at least part time, so she could sit with the children, as her and her husband were planning to start a family, and at the same time make a good income.
SEI dude I knew very briefly - worked as a middle school teacher and supplemented his income by trading online, which in his own words provided a good secondary income, but he didn't want to pursue it full time and quit his teaching job due to benefits that teachers get.
SEI women in her 50s - small business owner, owns a shop where she sells artwork and some antique pieces.
SEI man in his 40s - works at a water purification plant on some kind of operations supervisor position; boring job but it probably had good benefits.
There were also many SEIs in biology and biochemistry divisions from what I recall from the uni and working in different labs. I think the slower pace of biology experiments, relatively flexible schedule, an opportunity to do creative work, and the attention to detail these kinds of jobs required appeal to SEIs (which is the opposite of what I need usually, which is something faster paced where omitting some details to speed things up would be fine).
And there's really no one like an ILE with their Ne + Ti-creative/Te-demonstrative to offer advice on what kind of work-related options and possibilities are out there and within your grasp, and to instill confidence in their pursuit. As someone with problematic Te and weak Ti, I've found that I received a lot of career-related support from ILEs that would have taken me a long while, if never, to figure out on my own (and SLEs are probably similar in this respect).
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My best buddy is an ESI-Si sub who is a kindergarten teacher and seems like the best person in the world at his work. Truly cares about the kids and their future. Wants to instill a love of learning and a love for others and the planet into every student he teaches. I think he will go into public teaching policy in the future, likely being a principal while pursuing that path.
oh come on? poops magoops? *really?* (worst stereotype ever)
What do you mean?
i believe that post of mine was terrible.
Beer quality control technician
Realism artist. I always liked scientific/naturalist drawings and drawing portraits/still life/landscape/nudes/animals.
My ISFp-Si biffle says he would have been a Park Ranger or a Librarian if he hadn't become a Teacher.
My SEI is a sculpture and a university teacher.
In college for computer science, sort of aiming for a job in cyber security....or IT last case scenario. But my hobbies are more artistic, I like painting/digital art/and writing. I dreamed of being an artist when I was younger but wasn't confident about it financially. CS is more income friendly
But I wish he would just be my house-husband sigh.
a... sculpture?
You can actually find some them studying hard sciences and mathematics (physics is very heavily nerdy male field and it is somewhat rare to find ethical types in that grouping).Most often they end up in teaching. Not at all that uncommon finding. My childhood SEI friend I both have masters' in chemistry. There are also some other SEI chemists, I know. They find me interesting.
Literature and other humanistic things can be quite common as well.
Also some of them end up being elementary or kindergarten teachers. Stereotype, I know but it is extremely true.
And then there are some more stereotypes.
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I'm pursuing elementary education.
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for I know the plans I have for you
It's the road less traveled
Stereotypically any career that uses comfort to facilitate conversation (Restaurants and Bars and Coffee Shops and Smoking Lounges), or personal care to facilitate good health (Massage Therapy, Nurse, Alternative Medicine,etc.)
also mentioned these occupations because I'd only theoretically enjoy them if I had any social skills.
edit: also Chemistry was mentioned and I would have decided to major in Chemistry if I felt its use could be applied towards something I felt passionate about... yes a one man drug cartel with a degree in organic chem should do that well.
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Every SEI should be a nurse
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Lucrative SEI Careers
Know of any?
Hint: remember most SEIs are squeamish and this rules out the happy type fit in most medical professions.
The question is to reply with high paying careers - adequate to easily support a household at minimum - using only traditional SEI strengths.
GOOD LUCK
~* astralsilky
Each essence is a separate glass,
Through which Sun of Being’s Light is passed,
Each tinted fragment sparkles with the Sun,
A thousand colors, but the Light is One.
Jami, 15th c. Persian Poet
Post types & fully individuated before 2012 ...
The only good SEI career is artist, but only a small minority of SEIs are actually artistic.
Solution: Don't be SEI
The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.
(Jung on Si)
If they really want to or have no choice because they've got to put food on the table, then anything
electrician, programmer, communication technology, mechanic, plumber, teacher, interpreter, ...
ST types do it betterelectrician,
NTs do it betterprogrammer
NTs do it bettercommunication technology,
SLIs do it bettermechanic
LSI does it betterplumber
EIE does it betterteacher
lots of types do it better. You have to think fast.interpreter, ...
Of course SEIs do all kinds of work in real life, but the question is what work would fit their strengths.source: real life, not socionics
The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.
(Jung on Si)
stereotypes
Not at all. If we look at the type, certain strengths apply. You can't just look at real life and conclude that anybody can do anything. A SEI can be a programmer for example, but they will have to go out of their comfort zone more than for example NT types.
If you want to find a career that fits SEI strengths then the task is much more difficult.
The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.
(Jung on Si)
My SEI cousin manages a furniture store. She started off selling furniture and helping people pick out what was right for their lifestyle. She is also an artist and poet but doesn't make money on it. She is an excellent artist but in comparison her poetry is not as good. She would not have made a good writer but she enjoys it as a hobby. She cooks for her church events and takes care of a step child who she loves as her own. She probably would have been ok in childcare except she was rather lazy as a teen/young adult. No one in my extended family bothered to ask her to watch their kids (including her own ESI sister except for brief periods since my SEI cousin used to fall asleep at lot.) but she proved herself being capable with her step daughter.
I don't know if selling furniture was lucrative since she married a rich guy and her wedding gift from his family was a fully paid for home. They are doing ok financially. I imagine they will inherit a lot in the future.
Moral of story: marry rich. j/k
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
The lucrative careers are the ones that require the use ofin most jobs.
The strengths of alpha SF are to get along with different types of people quite well, so a lot of them prefer jobs in the social field, in health care or child care, or sales people.
...but these jobs are usally not the best paid, despite they are valueable for the whole society.
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